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      Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken View Post
      Looks like the time reference they used is in motion, and subject to relativistic effects itself.... Faster-than-Light Neutrino Puzzle Claimed Solved by Special Relativity - Technology Review
      This is actually fairly simple, hard to imagine that they didn't take this into account. Expert physicists overlooking like the foundational structure of special relativity, lol. This is pretty embarrassing actually.

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      "(Reuters) - A new experiment appears to provide further evidence that Einstein may have been wrong when he said nothing could go faster than the speed of light, a theory that underpins modern thinking on how the universe works."
      Fuck mainstream media.

      I'm glad this is still holding up though.

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      Whaaaaaaat??

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      [rampentspeculation]

      So now time "flows" both ways (because of faster than light travel and assuming SR is correct). I've always thought it was multidimensional as well. That's my next guess.

      Fuck, I bet it's only a matter of time before someone figures out that Einstein's discovery that there is no "absolute" time has been misinterpreted to mean that there's no absolute 1-dimensional time. Convenient that the extra time dimensions would give all the alternate universes of many worlds someplace to live ...
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      So as not to be considered one-sided:
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      But ICARUS, another experiment at Gran Sasso -- which is deep under mountains and run by Italy's National Institute of National Physics
      I'm so sick of reading mistakes in news articles, from mainstream news outlets, no less.
      Fucking illiterate cunts.

      Ahem....

      Anyway, my dad brought up a good point yesterday.... why don't they just shoot a beam of light at the same time and see which arrives first? That would basically remove every factor that physicists are saying could have caused the result they got.

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      This may sound cocky, but I wouldn't pay much mind to that paper; wait untill Fermilab has some results.

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      That is what I orginally thought as well Tommo. If you shoot light down the path, then compared the results to that, you would remove all the math and time calculations, and instead just be comparing the two speeds. If the speed of light is off, then you obviously forgot to factor something in.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tommo View Post
      IAnyway, my dad brought up a good point yesterday.... why don't they just shoot a beam of light at the same time and see which arrives first? That would basically remove every factor that physicists are saying could have caused the result they got.
      Quite hard to shoot a beam of light through 732 Km of solid rock.

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      So as not to seem too one-sided in my posting:
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      Can't find it on youtube but I'm watching a doc called Faster Than The Speed of Light which goes into the details of the experiment for a layman's understanding. If you want to view it just PM me.

      I guess it'll take them a couple years to cross check the experiment with Japan's hadron collider. In the mean time they're playing with thought experiments, assuming the calculations were accurate, that model the universe with exceptions to the speed of light.

      One interesting thing the video points out that I think is very true is that our current model of the universe is and for a long time has been contradictory to logic. Introduced through math, many of the concepts we take for granted now were considered inconceivable at their birth and were only reluctantly adopted into our universal model due to uncomfortable sorts of mathematical confirmation. While it's important to check the measurements and rule out all possible error, in the end we're going to have to once again surrender our sensible view of the universe to make room for mathematical truth.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      Quite hard to shoot a beam of light through 732 Km of solid rock.
      Yeah I thought about that, but isn't it actually a huge tunnel? Seems a bit big to build, but for some reason I wouldn't be surprised if it were.
      I dunno I've never seen it lol And there's some pretty big particle accelerators which I wouldn't think would be built either.

      'Course, you could always do it above ground with a powerful laser or something.

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      The Earth is only 40,000Km around. They'd have to dig about 10Km underground (I make it) to create a tunnel 732 Km long. So no, no tubes; they are literally firing neutrinos through the Earth.

      You couldn't do it above ground because the whole point of the light beam was to send it along the same path as the neutrinos.

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      Get a laser which can burn through things, burn a hole all the way to the detector, and then you can fire a pulse through at the same time as the neutrinos. Too bad they had to position it with ocean in the middle.... that would've been cool.

      Lol ok, maybe not such a good idea in reality. Theoretically I 'spose they could do it with a really long, small tube, it would just cost a lot.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken View Post
      One study??? Well HOLY SHIT, start the presses!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Supernova View Post
      One study??? Well HOLY SHIT, start the presses!
      It's been postulated (and to some degree, accepted) that the original result, i.e. showing neutrinos traveling faster than light-speed, was due to a measurement error.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Supernova View Post
      One study??? Well HOLY SHIT, start the presses!
      It's not a "study" it's a repeat of the experiment, without the suspected faulty equipment.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Supernova View Post
      One study??? Well HOLY SHIT, start the presses!
      You could say the same to the first study.

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      ^That's what I thinking. Still though, I'd be more comfortable with a precise cause.

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