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      Who are you?

      Think of it this way, Your body as you know is You. You are in control of it.
      But when you die, you are not. It simply states that you have a soul.

      But I'm not here to talk about that.

      As you may have heard that each and every cell in your body is living, it actually has a mind of it's own. You may ask, how do I know that. Its simply because their living. Reports have proved that ,when you die the human skin cells and some other cells are able to live for a few days, until they don't have enough nutrients to survive. This proves that they are not dead, but you are. Look, Cells are growing and multiplying but they don't have control over them but instead you are controlling them. Its like an agreement, you provide nutrients to the cells and they obey you. Eg- Lichens.
      You may have heard about the symbolic relation between fungi and algae. Fungi provides nutrients and algae prepares food by photosynthesis and shares it with Fungi.
      But there are many parts of the body which you are not controlling (heart, stomach,etc). Then who is controlling them?? Some cells, do not follow this agreement. Instead they have different rules, you provide nutrients, they break them down and transport the nutrients to the cells which you made an agreement with.
      There maybe many many theories on this, but this is what I think.
      What do YOU Think. Wait, a second.

      But who are you?? Are you the brain, but the brain again has millions and millions of cells. Which one of them are actually YOU??

      Please share your opinion on this, and what you think of this.

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      There is no "agreement" going on because cells don't have the capacity to make agreements like humans can. It's not as if "we" are saying to our cells "okay, you do this." So phrasing it in that way is both confusing and incorrect.
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      I agree with blueline and the fact that there is no definitive meaning for living also complecates the matter. Cells are living in the sense that they have complex organelles but they do not have the capacity to think or deviate from what their only function is.
      I don't believe that I am anything really, I am a mere collection of various organsims which has accidentily formed self-awareness. People love to think of themselves as a singularity, a soul or a body but i feel that this was only developed for survival reasons, now that we contemplate there function we can make up all kinds of ideas but deep down we are just one big mix of millions of chemical reactions.
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      I feel like I made this thread in philosophy like four times already.

      In a nut shell "you" is a made up concept concocted to reduce cognitive dissonance.
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      Quote Originally Posted by BLUELINE976 View Post
      There is no "agreement" going on because cells don't have the capacity to make agreements like humans can. It's not as if "we" are saying to our cells "okay, you do this." So phrasing it in that way is both confusing and incorrect.
      Maybe, They can't now. But long long ago maybe they did, to make survival easier.

      Quote Originally Posted by dutchraptor View Post
      I am a mere collection of various organsims which has accidentily formed self-awareness.
      Exactly my point.

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      Quote Originally Posted by YourDreamingNow View Post
      Maybe, They can't now. But long long ago maybe they did, to make survival easier.
      No, aside from the fact that cells lack any capacity to reason out their lives (and thus make agreements), it would make little evolutionary sense for them to lose that ability.
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      It's a good question (the one at the end) but a terrible segue. I don't know whether you have a bad sense of logic, are tricking yourself or have just been exposed to too much bad science. It seems your reasoning is something like: Cells are alive. We're alive. Therefore cells are just like us. Therefore cells are so complex they can make agreements. And you see what's wrong with that, right? They're complex but that doesn't mean they have brains or anything else with which to reason. You want this to be true so badly that, in response to BLUELINE976's post, because you realized they probably don't have agreements, you immediately made sense of it by asserting they don't now but they used to. You have nothing to back up why you came to that conclusion.

      You should only believe that something is true when you have good reason to believe it, not when it's technically possible and you like the idea of it.

      What you're saying only makes sense if you don't really mean it, if the "cells have an agreement with us and obey us" idea isn't meant to be taken seriously and is rather a way to view the exchange to make it easier (like viewing protons and electrons to 'want' to be together).

      Consciousness though is difficult to make sense of. The idea that we've made it up seems most likely true to me, that somewhere in our minds we have this idea of 'me' and all the personality traits that define 'me', but it's really only an idea that we're holding on to. But that still doesn't really explain perception and subjectivity. Many people don't view this as a problem at all, but I do, so perhaps I'm missing something. But, for example, the color 'red' can only be defined as neurons firing and such. If someone were to completely understand every detail about the human brain, she'd know exactly what happens when a person sees the color red. But there's still a distinct experience of the color which cannot be determined by analysis, and so it seems magical.

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