no experiments are safe |
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I don't mean the kind where you go into your garage, burn/cook/mix a bunch of stuff and then see what happens if you swallow it. |
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Last edited by Ginsan; 10-20-2015 at 07:47 PM.
no experiments are safe |
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ya gwan fok wid de Baron? ye gotta nodda ting comin. (Formerly known as Baking Nomad.)
Human drug experiments are extremely safe; relative to taking too seriously trolls such as yourself. In fact, compared to taking trolls such as yourself seriously, jumping off a cliff, face first into a pile of rocks would be a wise thing to do. |
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Last edited by Ginsan; 10-21-2015 at 06:04 AM. Reason: poem
With all due respect Nomad, I don't want to respond. I hope you don't mind. |
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I would agree that it is probably relatively safe, though you should be aware that there could be side effects. The reason they need test subjects is because they don't actually know all the possible reactions. It isn't like they will give you something they think is harmful, but some times you never know. Side effects do happen though. |
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Alric, do you know how often side effects happen and how bad these are? With all due respect, saying "there could be side effects" during experiments is like saying "you might die" when driving. And do you know anything about the duration of the side effects?. If I knew I had a 100% chance of getting minor to moderate headaches for 1 month after the experiments, I will do it. But if there was a 5% chance of getting minor headaches for the rest of my life I would not do the experiment even if they gave me 10.000 euro's. You see the point? |
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I personally would like to gather as much as possible, detailed research for my own person about the drug and it's effects on my own personal physiology (every drug and every biology is different) whenever a drug is ingested for whatever purpose in the body that I carry. |
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Well... The effects are unclear, that's why they are doing research, Dthoughts. How can I gather data that the scientists and medical people don't already have? |
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Last edited by Ginsan; 10-25-2015 at 01:34 AM.
Ye, I would not trust anyone to do my research for me. I guess biochemistry is just something that I am already intereseted in so it comes naturally. What if they miss something.. I'd spend a long time weighing out pros and cons of it's theoretical effect on the body. And what do they miss? If the risks are hard, that would keep me up. |
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Last edited by Dthoughts; 10-25-2015 at 05:10 AM.
I see. |
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Hey I forgot what I wanted to say (lack of sleep makes me forgetful.. zz) - I mean, to add to ur initial question of "Are human drug experiments safe" that is a very case to case basis and depends heavily on the drug used, and the person that is being tested. Another question that comes to mind, Are human drug experiments worth it? "To add to the confusion; there are cases of terminal cancer patients who do not receive newly developed medicine because it has not been tested, even though they are WILLING to test them on themselves because theya re on their wits end they are not allowed to.." |
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You are right and I hadn't thought of that while writing in this thread, but I have definitely thought of it. But the problem with doing it for altruistic reasons is that it may not be a very effective way of helping the world. If I get sick and I become less able to work hard or I shorten my lifespan, I foreclose all the things that I could have been doing. At the very least I won't be able to donate my salary. I think I can have a decent influence on the world, assuming that, when I have more money, I will still not care about a fancy car, a big house, a nice looking house or even raising a family. The most expensive things in my possession will probably be a collection a books, a violin and a violin bow. |
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If you wouldn't do it for a 5% chance that you might suffer minor on and off again headaches for the rest of your life, then I would probably suggest you not do it. It sounds like you don't have a very high risk tolerance. I tried to look for statistics on this but it kind of hard to find anything. While it does seem that long term side effects are pretty rare, and not that common, people do occasionally die and stuff. And there isn't anything more long term than being dead. |
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"people do occasionally die and stuff" that is not very precise, Alric. A 1% chance of something happening is good enough for me. I think that if I really want to get reliable data I should just ask some of these research companies about it. Before I do that, though, I need to figure out how to convince my parents. No doubt, they will go hysteric when I first tell them about it. The hysteria of my parents is through the roof, which is why every time I consider this stuff a little voice in my head tells me that I'm retarted for even thinking about it. |
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I think the experiments themselves on a larger scale are as safe as drugs are being treated and prescribed for today (which isn't to say that it is all that safe, but considering where we're already at and it isn't going to change, it's at least as safe as our usage of prescription drugs for anxiety, depression, insomnia, etc.). Drugs aren't there solely to prevent death or extend life, but to improve the quality of life as well. If you think clinical trials are unsafe then you either have a certain outlook on drugs already that limits their usage strictly to preventing death or saving life, or you need to seriously re-evaluate what you think about drugs and their usage in society to keep from being a hypocrite. In any case, I think human drug experiments (assuming these are clinical trials and the subjects are willing) are necessary. The people that wind up being the guinea pigs have to live with their decisions, even if they were made out of desperation. No matter the drug you wind up taking, you are going to have a very personal reaction that might be crippling or essentially life-saving. It's a risk you're willingly taking when you make the decision to take a drug. |
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the premise is just silly |
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ya gwan fok wid de Baron? ye gotta nodda ting comin. (Formerly known as Baking Nomad.)
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