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    Thread: Are human drug experiments safe?

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      Are human drug experiments safe?

      I don't mean the kind where you go into your garage, burn/cook/mix a bunch of stuff and then see what happens if you swallow it.

      I mean the kind that is done by professionals who say that they are trying to cure a certain illness.

      My arguments for why it is safe:
      - The costs of hurting people or making them sick are huge. Even if 5% of the people have bad side effects, stories will surely spread, right? If 5% of the people get bad long term side effects, almost everybody would know a person who knows a person who got bad long term side effects. And if this happens, nobody would become a test subject.

      - These people are doctors... I think doctors are among the people who have the greatest respect for human life and well-being and are among the least likely people to make people sick for the sake of making a new drug.

      - They are actually trying to discover new drugs. If it makes people sick they will not be put on the market anyway.


      Counterarguments:
      - Many drugs have bad side effects. But sometimes the side effects are less bad than the illness, so it works if you're ill. Thus it may still have bad side effects on healthy people

      - Yes these people are doctors. But making sick a small amount of people to cure or at least help a much larger amount of people is a rational thing to do.

      - At least some of the research is funded by drug companies, who are just in it for the money. It may be that a relatively small amount of doctors and scientists don't really care about making people sick, or who care little enough that they are willing to make a small percentage of people sick in order to make good money. So the research is aimed at making money, but is pretending to try and cure people.



      I am curious about what you have to say.


      PS: I really really would want it to be safe, because working at a job really really sucks and I need money, and by becoming a guinea pig I can get 3-4k euro's within 2-3 weeks. *though you can only do this once every 3 months* That's why I am proud of myself for having tried to treat both sides equally.
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      no experiments are safe
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      Quote Originally Posted by Baking Nomad View Post
      no experiments are safe
      Yes I agree. But I meant relatively.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ginsan View Post
      Yes I agree. But I meant relatively.
      Relative to what?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Baking Nomad View Post
      Relative to what?
      Human drug experiments are extremely safe; relative to taking too seriously trolls such as yourself. In fact, compared to taking trolls such as yourself seriously, jumping off a cliff, face first into a pile of rocks would be a wise thing to do.





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      Quote Originally Posted by Ginsan View Post
      Human drug experiments are extremely safe; relative to taking too seriously trolls such as yourself. In fact, compared to taking trolls such as yourself seriously, jumping off a cliff, face first into a pile of rocks would be a wise thing to do.





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      Since you'd rather make statements than answer questions, then do this:

      Simply prove how drug experiments on humans are safe. This will be amusing.
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      With all due respect Nomad, I don't want to respond. I hope you don't mind.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ginsan View Post
      With all due respect Nomad, I don't want to respond. I hope you don't mind.
      yet, you just did.
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      I would agree that it is probably relatively safe, though you should be aware that there could be side effects. The reason they need test subjects is because they don't actually know all the possible reactions. It isn't like they will give you something they think is harmful, but some times you never know. Side effects do happen though.

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      Alric, do you know how often side effects happen and how bad these are? With all due respect, saying "there could be side effects" during experiments is like saying "you might die" when driving. And do you know anything about the duration of the side effects?. If I knew I had a 100% chance of getting minor to moderate headaches for 1 month after the experiments, I will do it. But if there was a 5% chance of getting minor headaches for the rest of my life I would not do the experiment even if they gave me 10.000 euro's. You see the point?
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      I personally would like to gather as much as possible, detailed research for my own person about the drug and it's effects on my own personal physiology (every drug and every biology is different) whenever a drug is ingested for whatever purpose in the body that I carry.

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      Well... The effects are unclear, that's why they are doing research, Dthoughts. How can I gather data that the scientists and medical people don't already have?

      A few months ago I almost became a test subject, but I had to stop because my mother became hysteric, thinking something terrible would happen to me. They informed me how the research was done, the dose previous subjects got, the effects it had on them, what kind of insurance I was getting.

      edit: Oh I'm sorry, I misunderstood. You emphasized that you should do research about your own physiology. They were also planning to do tests on me (and everyone else) individually. So they have that covered too.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Ginsan View Post
      Well... The effects are unclear, that's why they are doing research, Dthoughts. How can I gather data that the scientists and medical people don't already have?

      A few months ago I almost became a test subject, but I had to stop because my mother became hysteric, thinking something terrible would happen to me. They informed me how the research was done, the dose previous subjects got, the effects it had on them, what kind of insurance I was getting.

      edit: Oh I'm sorry, I misunderstood. You emphasized that you should do research about your own physiology. They were also planning to do tests on me (and everyone else) individually. So they have that covered too.
      Ye, I would not trust anyone to do my research for me. I guess biochemistry is just something that I am already intereseted in so it comes naturally. What if they miss something.. I'd spend a long time weighing out pros and cons of it's theoretical effect on the body. And what do they miss? If the risks are hard, that would keep me up.
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      I see.

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      Hey I forgot what I wanted to say (lack of sleep makes me forgetful.. zz) - I mean, to add to ur initial question of "Are human drug experiments safe" that is a very case to case basis and depends heavily on the drug used, and the person that is being tested. Another question that comes to mind, Are human drug experiments worth it? "To add to the confusion; there are cases of terminal cancer patients who do not receive newly developed medicine because it has not been tested, even though they are WILLING to test them on themselves because theya re on their wits end they are not allowed to.."

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      You are right and I hadn't thought of that while writing in this thread, but I have definitely thought of it. But the problem with doing it for altruistic reasons is that it may not be a very effective way of helping the world. If I get sick and I become less able to work hard or I shorten my lifespan, I foreclose all the things that I could have been doing. At the very least I won't be able to donate my salary. I think I can have a decent influence on the world, assuming that, when I have more money, I will still not care about a fancy car, a big house, a nice looking house or even raising a family. The most expensive things in my possession will probably be a collection a books, a violin and a violin bow.

      So no, thinking about those people who are suffering from illnesses because of my unwillingness to become a test subject is not enough to make me do it.

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      If you wouldn't do it for a 5% chance that you might suffer minor on and off again headaches for the rest of your life, then I would probably suggest you not do it. It sounds like you don't have a very high risk tolerance. I tried to look for statistics on this but it kind of hard to find anything. While it does seem that long term side effects are pretty rare, and not that common, people do occasionally die and stuff. And there isn't anything more long term than being dead.

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      "people do occasionally die and stuff" that is not very precise, Alric. A 1% chance of something happening is good enough for me. I think that if I really want to get reliable data I should just ask some of these research companies about it. Before I do that, though, I need to figure out how to convince my parents. No doubt, they will go hysteric when I first tell them about it. The hysteria of my parents is through the roof, which is why every time I consider this stuff a little voice in my head tells me that I'm retarted for even thinking about it.

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      I think the experiments themselves on a larger scale are as safe as drugs are being treated and prescribed for today (which isn't to say that it is all that safe, but considering where we're already at and it isn't going to change, it's at least as safe as our usage of prescription drugs for anxiety, depression, insomnia, etc.). Drugs aren't there solely to prevent death or extend life, but to improve the quality of life as well. If you think clinical trials are unsafe then you either have a certain outlook on drugs already that limits their usage strictly to preventing death or saving life, or you need to seriously re-evaluate what you think about drugs and their usage in society to keep from being a hypocrite. In any case, I think human drug experiments (assuming these are clinical trials and the subjects are willing) are necessary. The people that wind up being the guinea pigs have to live with their decisions, even if they were made out of desperation. No matter the drug you wind up taking, you are going to have a very personal reaction that might be crippling or essentially life-saving. It's a risk you're willingly taking when you make the decision to take a drug.

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      the premise is just silly
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      The premis that Nomad could ever become Baron Samadi (???)

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