Reality As You Know It Does Not Exist

Pretty good video, which kind of compiles a lot of what I've previously posted about David Bohm and 'Holographic Theory'. It also represents his Implicate/Explicate Order theory of the universe(without actually mentioning the labels). I know there may be some of you who would try to discredit the idea with insubstantial comments like "Ugh, more Matrix fans trying to make sense of what they don't understand," but let's be a little more realistic (and mature) here. If this is an idea you don't subsribe to, explain why, etc..

Enjoy. :)

This is something I realized quite a long time ago as I kept wondering what the smallest atomic particles were made of and what nothingness could possibly be. It really tangles your mind to think about it too hard.

I liked the ending of that video where he explains "We're the same consciousness experiencing itself."

PS. The Matrix is the best movie trilogy ever made.

Ive heard this idea before...but what exactly are the implications of this? How does it expand out potential?

Black eagle...sorry but Im going to have to say it comes in second to LOTR

Ok, so the universe isn't real. So what?

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Originally Posted by tkdyo

Ive heard this idea before...but what exactly are the implications of this? How does it expand out potential?

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Ok, so the universe isn't real. So what?

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Who knows, as of now (to both)?

Personally, I do not know all of the implications anymore than the first person to view an atom knew immediately what all would be possible in a world of nuclear technology. (Much less so, of course, but I'm sure you understand my meaning.)

What's important, at the moment (IMHO) is that we accept and understand these ideas, and work to find those implications, not simply hold onto our view of the world through outdated paradigms. Such a perspective could potentially change much in the world of "physical" science - if not to the extent of changing things we already presume to know, then maybe opening up this whole new frontier of science to investigate. Such is not an idea devoid of merit, right?

(And while I believe the Matrix trilogy had the most potential - and I love the first two - I think the LotR trilogy is practically flawless. :))

Yeah, you guys are right. LOTR is the best movie trilogy. I think I've mentioned that before lol. Still, the first couple of Matrix movies are my favorite movies.

This thread is now about movies.

Great movie. It sums it all up nicely.

I hope most people have at least a general understanding of this. Maybe I'm overestimating people? I think the hard part is integrating it into our daily lives. So far, there seems to be no real practical reason for people to care about this philosophy/ truth. It doesn't really threaten or reward people into living their lives differently.

And I have to say the Look Who's Talking trilogy was the best ever. Or was that the worst?... I can't remember.

I don't like that the 'consciousness creating reality' thing has become the popular view of what scientists think, it isn't. I think a more plausible explanation for the collapse of a wave function is that a conscious observer is only capable of perceiving one aspect of the infinite possibilities. The wave function of the particle continues as is, but the conscious observer now perceives it as a particle.

Maybe the dream state is just the expression of our duality. We have the waking particle world, while the dream state is all about waveform probabilities.

While in waking world where wave forms have collapsed in to solid matter, it difficult to conceive how it couldn't be real. But that solid matter comes from a wave form first, and the control learned in the waveform realms of sleep would still be valid in the waking world. Just like we can make things solid and real in dream. Both modes of operation apply equally well to either reality.

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Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I think a more plausible explanation for the collapse of a wave function is that a conscious observer is only capable of perceiving one aspect of the infinite possibilities. The wave function of the particle continues as is, but the conscious observer now perceives it as a particle.

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Never heard or thought of that before, but I like it a lot! I'm going to have to take some time to digest it.

"Life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves."

That line does a great deal in terms of summing up my own ideas about the nature of the universe. I do in fact believe that we are analogous to dream characters, fragmented bits of consciousness derived from the mind of a greater being. Dream characters, after all, are no more than pieces of our own mind divided and realized in another reality that they are individually bound to. Reality, in this sense, is borne entirely from consciousness. The dreamworld reality for any dream character is borne from the mind of the dreamer. You can see where I'm going with this.

Am I making sense?

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Originally Posted by invader_tech

"Life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves."

Am I making sense?

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Makes sense to me! I see I'm not the only one who recognized the guy at the end from that Tool album.


I'd like people's thoughts on the following.

Waveform = Schema

And I don't mean waveform as in a snakey or spikey graphed out line, but as in the sum total of possibilities, if it can even be though of that way. Again I need time to ruminate on that one, but I'd like to hear anyone else's thoughts in the meantime.

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Ok, so the universe isn't real. So what?

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... so our dreams are just as real as our awake state... just messing with you

however, that does make me wonder if there is some truth to that statement...

hmm...

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Pretty good video, which kind of compiles a lot of what I've previously posted about David Bohm and 'Holographic Theory'. It also represents his Implicate/Explicate Order theory of the universe(without actually mentioning the labels). I know there may be some of you who would try to discredit the idea with insubstantial comments like "Ugh, more Matrix fans trying to make sense of what they don't understand," but let's be a little more realistic (and mature) here. If this is an idea you don't subsribe to, explain why, etc..

Enjoy. :)

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Wow, watching that video made me yell at my monitor "HUH?" about half a dozen times. That video is a good way to totally blow up your mind, and make you even more lost then you really are. Too complicated....maybe it's all the wording i don't understand but What The FUCK! consider my mind blown away. My mind always gets blown away when they make you think like this.:paranoid: I hate it! why can't it be, um...simple?

Nice video.


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Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

why can't it be, um...simple?

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because nothing is simple.

Well whoevers dream we're living in right now is boring as hell..i mean...gravity..who the hell needs gravity or physics at all

Oh year, I love that video.. saw it on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae2dBOxt-vA


As I commented on the video "Mind Expanding"




Goodnight..

I wonder what the real looks like. We go by what the brain tells us, not by what it really is. It's probably so crazy we wont be able to grasp it.

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Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

I wonder what the real looks like. We go by what the brain tells us, not by what it really is. It's probably so crazy we wont be able to grasp it.

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With the number of extra alleged dimensions to our universe, you're probably right.

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Originally Posted by tkdyo

Ive heard this idea before...but what exactly are the implications of this? How does it expand out potential?

Black eagle...sorry but Im going to have to say it comes in second to LOTR

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Star Wars(Original) > LOTR > MATRIX

That quote black eagle sounds almost like...

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

Bill Hicks ftw :D

Human beings are too arrogant to think the universe exists because of them. Bah, we are only barely capable of conscious thought and already think our mind breaks the laws of physics. We think the mind is something immaterial, but it is only the outcome of neurochemical processes in our brains. The feeling of being experiencing something, or consciousness as humans named it, is only one of the functions of the brain. Consciousness requires intelligence, and intelligence is how complex and well-functional the brain anatomy is - given shape to and filtered by evolution.

So no, the mind does not exist. The brain exists, but it's as subject to the laws of physics as anything else. It is arrogant (and dumb) to think human beings are special. Just because we don't/can't observe something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We once couldn't observe atoms, but voilà, they were always there.

Finally, I hate how they use music to create a scenario in this kind of film - what I call "believers' film". The song aims at stimulating the brain to make you happy, and thus likely to agree with what's being said. Things you don't notice are the worst weapons.

That documentary isn't even close to reaching some truth.

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Originally Posted by Kromoh

That documentary isn't even close to reaching some truth.

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I hate to say how much you completely missed the point of the video. :?

The video is not about consciousness "creating" the universe. It is about consciousness creating the universe as we see it. It is about how, when seeing things in the material, we become preconditioned to the idea that that is the actual state of things - how things really exist. But it is not necessarily so.

The universe, as we know it, could be nothing but a system of waves interacting with each other. It is our perception of said waves which gives us the sense (whether sight, sound, touch, taste, etc) of the physical things around us.

Do we all see "red" the same way? Do we all hear the same sounds the same way? Do all of our brains interpret things in the exact same fashions? Because we perceive things as being solid to us, do they really exist as solid absolutions in space, or does it only feel that way, relative to the way our brains interpret them?

Does the physical world actually exist, or are we basing a model of "what really is" solely off of our instruments of sensation (our physical senses)? If the latter, then such is what is actually arrogant.

That is the point of the video.

Doesn't mean the point of the video was correct lol

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Doesn't mean the point of the video was correct lol

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No. It means there is more reason for the video to be correct, then for your assertion that the video doesn't reach any sort of truth to be correct. :)

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But really, for a better understanding of the concept, look up David Bohm (an associate of Einstein) and his Implicate/Explicate Order theory of the universe (which has never been substantially disproven in the scientific community) for more information. That way you won't feel that you're basing the idea simply on a "believer's video."
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