If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did all this stuff come from?

Big Bang is a theory. Theory is not a fact. Only humans can pretend knowing the "beginning".
It is so hard for some of us to just accept the fact that we don't know. No scientist, no man in the world know the absolute truth.
We only have asumptions and beliefs.

But I love what Buddha said : "All is mind."
Scientists say: "All is energy."
I believe in buddhist theory... That our world, universe is just an illusion, it is mind, energy. Like the classic dreams. Dreams are not less real than this "life".
The movie matrix is based on that theory, philosophy (they just added machines). It looks real to our physical senses, while we are here. It changes your life when you truly understand it... that your life, your wold is just an projection of your mind, like your dreams. You begin to create a life of your dreams with your own mind. Your thoughts become matter. The phisical world is just atoms, energy, DATA. It vibrates, it is just particules, probabilities. Things apear solid but it is an illusion. Matter vibrates so fast that our can't see it. I think that everything is just data, conscioussness. I don't believe in a meaningless nature and universe. I don't believe in those scientific dogmas because for them everything is made by coincidences, accidents, chance...

Every Cause has its Effect; every Effect has its Cause.

"In the beginning there were only probabilities. The universe could only come into existence if someone observed it." - Martin Rees
“The atoms or elementary particles themselves are not real; they form a world of potentialities or possibilities rather than one of things or facts.” - Werner Heisenberg

You don't know what the word "theory" means. The Big Bang is a theory and a fact. It is an observed truth. It is as much a fact as the fact that New Zealand is smaller than Australia. It is incoherent to suggest that this is an "assumption". It isn't, it's an observation. You can't deny an observation.

"All is mind" is an empty statement. There is no observational difference between reality being "internal" and reality being "external", or being "real" or "not real". Therefore these terms are completely meaningless.

Haha you're so funny.
Theory doen't mean fact. Theory is an assumption. This is a fact, search it in a dictionairy.
When something is incontenstable you don't call it theory.
Based on the same observations another scientists have other theories. You should read all the theories about the universe :D
And you should know that 2 people observing the same thing will not see the same or have the same experience. It is relative.
Even reading the same book, people will see different things.
Not all scientist believe in that theory, There is so much others. But if you have FAITH in Big Bang good for you. But it is just Faith.
A fact is something you see, something you can experience, something you can reproduce...
I doubt you experienced or saw Big Bang. Or maybe you do I don't know ;)))
Even Einstein would be enough humble to admit that he is not sure... that he don't know.
How can you say that big bang is a fact when no one can experience it and no one did and no one will.

But maybe you're all knowing... lol

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Originally Posted by astralboy

Haha you're so funny.
Theory doen't mean fact. Theory is an assumption. This is a fact, search it in a dictionairy.

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Since you were too arrogant to follow your own advice, I have searched the dictionary for you:

Noun
theory (sciences): A coherent statement or set of ideas that explains observed facts or phenomena, or which sets out the laws and principles of something known or observed; a hypothesis confirmed by observation, experiment etc. [from 17th c.]

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/theory

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How can you say that big bang is a fact when no one can experience it and no one did and no one will.

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How can you say dinosaurs were a fact when no one can experience them and no one did and no one will?

Do you think before you type?

It's called "evidence".

I don't see in that definition that THEORY means FACT... like you say :) Do you see the word FACT?! because I don't see it. lol
It is a set of ideas about some facts. But those ideas can be interpreted differently by different people.
You should understand that a theory is not a finish product...
With time it can be rejected, if new discoveries can't fit in it. It can be contradicted. Fact can't. So it is clearly 2 different things.
Sorry.

Lol your exemple of dinosaurs... nothing to do with Big Bang. What you call big bang evidence other people don't see it as evidence at all.
It is like the religious people... they see some weird things and they say "look it's a god's proof". You are blinded by your faith lol.

Theory is not a Fact. I have nothing more to say on this subject. Have a good day/night.

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Originally Posted by astralboy

I don't see in that definition that THEORY means FACT... like you say :) Do you see the word FACT?! because I don't see it. lol

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It's called a synonym. Stop pretending to not understand how synonyms work.

Which part of "a hypothesis confirmed by observation" was unclear? Give an example of a hypothesis confirmed by observation which is not a fact. Protip: you can't. Because they're synonymous.

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Lol your exemple of dinosaurs... nothing to do with Big Bang.

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It's called an analogy. Stop pretending to not understand how analogies work.

We accept dinosaurs as a fact because there is extant physical evidence of dinosaurs. We accept the Big Bang as a fact because there is extant physical evidence of the Big Bang. You have not stated a single difference between the two instances.

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You are blinded by your faith lol.

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You believe in dinosaurs. You are blinded by your faith.

Oh wait, that's a really dumb statement.

*sigh*

This is some expert shit posting.

I can't tell if he's trolling or not.

Allow me to explain scientific theories using gravity and evolution.

The fact of gravity: things fall.
The theory of gravity: two objects with mass distort space and share an attractive force between them, pulling them together.

The fact of evolution: populations of organisms change over time.
The theory of evolution: organisms with traits fit for their environment will survive to reproduce and propegate said traits through their offspring. Over time, these changes accumulate until populations separate into genetically distinct species.

Scientists don't just sit around making shit up about the Universe. They test hypotheses using scientific experiments and empirical evidence. We know the Universe is several billion years old because we can see stars whose light would take several billion years to reach Earth.

Science: it works, bitches!

I repeat Theory doesn't mean fact. And it is not synonym to fact but to the word assumption, idea, proposal...

Here you can see synonyms, antonyms of the word THEORY.
Theory Synonyms, Theory Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

I didn't invented it.

Like you see on that page it is more close to the word BELIEF. It is even the opposite of the word fact (Antonym). I'm sorry.
It is a belief, an assumption, based on the observations, phenomena. And I repeat those observations can be interpreted differently in the future or by other people in the present.There is other theories based on the same observations.

But yeah I understand that it is difficult for some people to accept that fact. It is the same when I talk with religious people.
You are like them, you just have faith in Big Bang instead of God :D But it is a belief.

Have a nice day :D

You're the zealot here. You've been clearly shown that "theory" has multiple definitions in dictionaries, and that in the context of "the theory of relativity" it doesn't mean "guess". And yet for some bizarre reason you refuse to change your mind. You're like the worst kind of religious idiot, shoving his fingers in his ears and shouting "lalala" when he's run out of arguments.

Do you think the theory of gravity is also a guess without observed evidence? Do you think number theory is a bunch of guesses about numbers?

You can just as well save energy and leave him be, Xei - I was on about, if dreams originate from the brain with him over - forgot how many pages.
He still believes, they don't - and he won't see reason here, either.

Theory has to be looked up in the agreed upon scientific usage - not everyday usage - this is an argumentative problem with many people, and we can't usually change it - people with weird own "theories" - here in the everyday usage - will always cling to only considering the meaning of the word in everyday usage and feel, that their sentiments stand on the same level in terms of validity.
Cheers.


Stole this from Zoth:

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Theory Synonyms, Theory Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

Based on a dictionary Theory and Fact are not synonym but antonym. (opposite)
But You're right. The dictionary is wrong of course. HAHAHAH

And I don't know why you try to change the subject... I'm not talking about gravity. I never said that all theories are false. I just say that theory doesn't mean fact. And that it can be wrong.

Thesaurus.com is not a dictionary.

It's a thesaurus.

So a thesaurus is wrong and you're right? HAHAHA

thefreedictionary.com/theory

Check out the first definition.

I think he's just trolling. He's lying about being French at the very least, or he'd have surrendered ages ago.

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thefreedictionary.com/theory

Check out the first definition.

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Yeah I will check the definition you choose to accept and deny all others. Thats really interesting. LOL

"1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture."

Why would I chose the number 1 ? And even the #1 doesn't say that it means FACT. It is a set of ideas to explain group of facts.
And those same statements can be explained differantly by others but I repat myself :)
You're really sad guys... You your dogma and your faith.
Pathetic

And xei You didn't answered my question :)

Why would you choose number one?
Because the big bang theory is a theory in the sense of number one, as any scientist will tell you - per definition - simple as.
Now I go save energy.

And what about this :
Theory Synonyms, Theory Antonyms | Thesaurus.com, which clearly shows that fact is an opposite of theory.
And what about even the #1, it doesn't say that a theory is an incontestable FACT.
And what about all others that say that a theory is just an assumption, a belief, an idea...

Why you chose what you read from a dictionary and reject the rest?

Xei, etal: why do you guys bother?

I never said fact and theory are synonymous - they aren't - but that's not what this is about.
Don't beat around the bush.
It is about that you put a specific scientific theory, which clearly belongs under number one, under the everyday usage of the word - and that is incorrect. See?
No?
Thought so.

Does it even matter where astralboy posts? He always has the exact same argument.
Nothing is certain! We get it astralboy. Now can you please not disrupt a perfectly fine discussion with your "theory is not fact" tripe.

All of us understand that concept, nothing is certain. Infinite probabilities make that not one theory can conclusively be proved.

However, we choose to make assumptions in theories because otherwise we couldn't even discuss this topic.

The truly erroneous part of your logic is that you keep stating things as fact, which goes exactly what you are pushing on us.