Thread: The earth is full of lava....?

Originally Posted by Noogah

And sometimes it is lack of emotion that blinds common sense.

You assume that common sense is something you can trust. You put your faith in common sense. Sometimes, or maybe often, common sense doesn't correspond to reason.

It is common sense that the Sun revolves around the Earth, for example.

Emotion is also something that blinds reason. I don't see how it can be used for anything at all in reason, other than perhaps as a motivational force. But note, that as a motivational force it doesn't/shouldn't interfere with reason and its search for truth. We don't want our disgust of The Holocaust to rewrite history by avoiding the topic completely now, do we?

Lack of emotion can perhaps lead to immorality, or anything else that we can say it forms a basis for. But as we can all deduce, excess emotion can definitely interfere with reason. I'm sure many who couldn't control their emotions in a certain situation would've made better (reasonable) decisions without them at that point in time.

Originally Posted by Noogah

Anyways, that is why I rarely bring up the obvious complexity of our universe as a means of debating Evolution.

I don't see how, nor do I believe it possible for something so beautiful and amazing as earth, and all the LIFE on it could happen by accident. I also don't believe I could be conscious without a God, as by the theory of Evolution, I am no more significant than a clod of dirt, which of course has no consciousness. There are no components in the physical world that could create consciousness.

I'll tell you why you can't concieve a universe without your god. You were raised, or raised yourself, by binding reality to God. Now that this link is here you can't unbind it. And you fall on subjective perceptions to define the objective reality for you. What you think is real, has to be. And that's a sad stance to take. Because whatever the real truth is, taking such a stance avoids search for it completely. The concept of faith you love so much just strengthens and encourages it untill there is nothing else but you and your pressupositions - meaning that nothing new goes in or out.

The amazingness (complexity) of something doesn't influence it's true nature. How stupid would I be if I said "God can't exist because he is bad and unamazing". Although I believe the conepts of [X religion] are unamazing, I don't believe that this would in any way disprove God's existence. Such a statement is a logical fallacy. Unless you are God himself, feeling bad about something won't make it go away and feeling good about something won't make it happen.

And faith is all you have. Complexity, "amazingness", accident... those are all subjective concepts which offer no real value. When you say that's the reason for your beliefs, you're actually saying "I believe because I believe".

Saying: "I believe that there is a god because the universe is so complex" = "I believe that there is a god because only god creates complex universes" = "I believe that there is a god because god created the universe" = "I beliece that there is a god because god exists"

You believe that complexity and your perception of complexity are the reasons for your belief. It's circular logic! And it's as direct as it can be.

Originally Posted by Noogah

One was never found. -like god

One has never been found. -like god

One never will be found. -blind faith

Not on this earth, or on any other planet. -blind faith

This is the main difference between science and religion. Science will never tell you what it doesn't know, or if it does so by accident, it's mended when possible. That's pretty much the definition of open-mindedness. Think of it what you will.

Originally Posted by Noogah

How stupid it is, and how Science evolution proves otherwise.

Evolution is scientific.