Thread: Why dream experience is fundamental and so very important

Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio

Very importantly, I demand academic honesty in this matter.

Science news does not get any bigger, better, and more important than this.

Let's get some feedback from the site administrators here.

If that's what you really after, may I suggest you publish your findings in some scientific journal for a review and feedback from your peers. I am just a simple dreamer, Frank.

In dreams, we are CONSCIOUS AND ALIVE in conjunction with the FUNDAMENTAL EXPERIENCE of our growth and becoming other than we are.

THEREFORE:

1) The balance of being and experience is attained in dreams in conjunction with visible and invisible experience in fundamental equilibrium and balance. (This is consistent with the experience of the eye/body in dreams, as vision begins invisibly inside the eye/body). Accordingly, the body may be visible or invisible in dreams. Dream experience is always that of the MIDDLE distance in/of space. This involves balanced MIDDLE strength force/energy feeling/touch and INSTANTANEITY. Therefore, the maximum of feeling/touch in dreams IS half of that which is experienced at the feet while waking and standing.

2) Our growth and becoming other than we are is a transcendent manifestation that ultimately involves our being conscious and alive in conjunction therewith. Our growth and becoming other than we are would be a separate manifestation from our waking experience as grown adults. Accordingly, dream experience is separate from waking experience, and yet dreams and waking experience are fundamentally linked and fundamentally related. Accordingly, we are conscious and alive in dreams in conjunction with what is the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. THIS IS PERFECTLY CLEAR AND CORRECT.

What I am "really after" here gab is the truth. What are you really after here in the understanding of dreams? The credibility of these ideas is not in question, nor can you or anyone else here (or anywhere else) even begin to put them into question. The real question is why my person and these ideas are ignored, evaded, and ridiculed here. It is pathetic and idiotic. The truth matters gab. It matters a lot.

Gab, these ideas do not need peer review. They are clearly and plainly correct. Do you deny this?

Let's cut the games and garbage and lies and personal insults here. Dreams are not a creation of thought. Dreams are not the physics of the brain. Dreams are not hallucinations. To say that dream experience is not real and that dreams are not actual experience is plainly false. These statements are incorrect and unintelligible, as they do not tell us what dreams are. These so-called dream "experts" do not know how dreams are possible. The so-called dream "experts" do not even know how to accurately, consistently, and extensively describe dream experience. The so-called dream "experts" do not know what dreams are. They are not the experts. I am.

Gab, I am the expert on what dreams fundamentally and truly are. I have proven it already. The other so-called "experts" really do not know and understand what dreams are. They do not know how dreams are possible. They are not the experts gab, I am.

by Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

The balance of being AND experience is attained in dreams in conjunction with visible AND invisible space in FUNDAMENTAL equilibrium and balance. (This is consistent with the experience of the eye/body in dreams, as VISION begins INVISIBLY inside the eye/body). Accordingly, the body may be visible OR invisible in dreams. Dream experience is always that of the MIDDLE distance in/of space. This necessarily involves BALANCED MIDDLE strength force/energy feeling/touch and INSTANTANEITY. Therefore, the maximum of feeling/touch in dreams IS HALF in relation to that of the VISIBLE body/feet while waking and standing. Great !!!

THE PHYSICISTS WILL BE FORCED TO FACE THIS TRUTH: DREAMS THEORETICALLY, ACTUALLY, TRULY, NATURALLY, ULTIMATELY, AND FUNDAMENTALLY UNIFY AND BALANCE PHYSICS/PHYSICAL EXPERIENCE.

In dreams, we are CONSCIOUS AND ALIVE in conjunction with the FUNDAMENTAL EXPERIENCE of our growth and becoming other than we are.

I am the real expert on what dreams really and fundamentally are. Here's the message.

1) Have the ABILITY and KNOWLEDGE to be the expert.

2) Know what you need to know and what you do not know, if you can; and do not be lazy about it. THEN GET IT.

3) IF YOU DO NOT KNOW SOMETHING (OR YOU DO NOT WHAT SOMETHING IS), THEN ADMIT IT.

I DEMAND ACADEMIC HONESTY FROM THE THEORETICAL, ACADEMIC, "EXPERTS" IN PHYSICS.

Be honest.

by Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

Blueline, you have fully nailed the transaction between us and Frankbot!

Bluelines brick wall summarize the most fundamental important fact in this thread. It doesnt get any more clear than that.. That's for sure!

My recent posts are to be considered in keeping with the following:

The self represents, forms, and experiences a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience. Dream experience is fundamentally consistent with this most fundamental and great truth/fact. If the self did not represent, form, and experience a comprehensive approximation of experience in general by combining conscious and unconscious experience, we would then be incapable of growth and of becoming other than we are. In dreams, we are conscious and alive in conjunction with the fundamental experience of our growth and becoming other than we are. Dreams balance being and experience. Dreams balance conscious and unconscious experience. Dreams are not a creation of thought. There is no outsmarting the genius of dreams.

Great !

by Author Frank Martin DiMeglio

How many of you agree with my ideas here?...and why ?

Why would such huge and important science news be ignored, evaded, and/or denied at this forum? How bizarre !

It is clear what is proven here.

This is pathetic.

Look at the way this thread and these ideas are "handled" here.

^^ Pathetic indeed.

Frank, I think that if we all got on one knee and verbally genuflected to your brilliance (as a few here actually tried), and we asked thoughtful questions about your work (which some of us did), and we voiced our agreement with your ideas ... and why (which some of us did), you would still call us pathetic.

If you refuse to respond directly to us, Frank, you also lose the right to call us pathetic, I think.

At the risk of getting sucked into this thread as well...

Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio

How many of you agree with my ideas here?...and why ?

Agreeing and disagreeing require understanding of what you're agreeing or disagreeing with. And that's how ideas are made in general. Someone starts with a point, someone else (who understands the point) offers a counter point, the two work out their differences until the original idea is refined and improved. All I see you've managed to do here is throw out the same point over and over (maybe adding a few big words here and there) and blatantly ignore any counterpoints or requests for clarification.

Two of my favorite scientists are Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson, mainly because they take complex concepts and simplify them into terms that even the average 8-year-old could comprehend. And I've tried - oh my gosh, have I tried - to understand what your posts say, but unless you follow Bill's and Neil's lead and simplify what you're saying down so that the average Joe can understand it, then you're probably not going to get much attention or respect for your ideas, save for the next theoretical physicist/philosopher who also happens to be a walking thesaurus.

On a side note, I bet you're a whiz at Scrabble.

Originally Posted by FrankDiMeglio

What I am "really after" here gab is the truth.

You are not after the truth. If you were, you would be opened to scientific review. Which would probably not go so well for you. Not because your idea is wrong (it may or may not be), but because you can't explain it.

You would be participating in a conversation. Which is not copy/pasting same thing over and over. But actual question and answer thing. Using different words to describe what we say we don't understand.

But all you want for us is to say "Yes, Frank, you are right". I don't think that is going to happen.

If you are the expert, Frank, you don't need us, the layfolk to validate you.

By the way, if this is a plug for your book, I may have bad news for you. What you doing is anti-advertising.

And you are are calling us pathetic and idiotic, even if many members here bent over backwards to try to have a conversation with you.


So, I'm putting future of this thread up to the community vote. Keep this thread opened or not. Please everybody cast your vote.

Sorry, Frank.

Why does this require a community vote? Exercise your administrative right and just close it.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Why does this require a community vote? Exercise your administrative right and just close it.

Wut, too much responsibility to cast a vote?

Everybody's vote would be obvious. I said it should be closed a while ago anyway.

^^ That's a good point...

I think gab (and I) just thought the community would like a say in it

^^ And that's a good point too!

You did ask to have this thread closed before. But we don't close stuff that doesn't violate the rules, as I also already pointed out. So in cases like this, community can decide. Does this thread still provide any value to you guys, or are you done with it. Because I am done.

^^ I'm done with it, myself... particularly with the frustrating urge to return to Frank's threads; I'm starting to feel like a rubbernecker at an accident scene....

I´ve been monitoring this thread for a while and I have to say I´m pleasantly surprised with the DV community’s patience with Frank. On any other forum I would´ve expected a thread like this to be locked after two weeks, at best. But you guys have dealt with him for ten months now without kicking him out. Despite all the uncommunicative posts Frank has posted (or copy and pasted) here, there were still members who tried to reach out for him. You guys have my respect for giving even a hopeless member such as Frank a chance.

But I could see why you would like to put this thread to rest now. Frank has shown no signs of improvement over time and he might never learn how to properly communicate with us.

I personally think he´s not a troll or anything like that. His posts were way too inefficient at really annoying people. People get bored if they see the same kind of nonsense over and over again. He looks more like a person who is mentally handicapped in some way which leaves him incapable to communicate properly.

I think leaving the fate of this tread up to the community is the right choice. Frank didn´t really directly violate any rules, so it wouldn´t be quite right to just shut his thread down. But if the people here have grown tired of him then it might be the right time to put an end to this.

Some forms of abuse are more subtle than others. Frank is clearly being abusive of this forum and its members, IMO (for what it's worth). If it must come to a vote, then I vote to close this thread, and the next one that Frank will inevitably create. And if he does create another nonsense thread, ban him.

I say keep the thread be. It would be awesome if Frank one day would be able to connect with other people. But if he only are going to keep on posting his copy paste stuff. Then I dont think that there will be any people left interested anyway. I have probably spent more time than nesseserily in this thread, but I have never before in my life trying to have a discussion with someone who is so into him self, that he gets totally disconected to human communication. And this really fascinates me in some twisted way, with how Franks mind seems to work or not work.

There is so many self-contradicting things said by Frank, that I actually lost interest for the actual ideas he nagging about, a loong time ago. And I've been kinda keept stuck here, merely to see what kind of person it is that have such a persistence to just keep repeting himself for some reason.. ?

However I think Frank has already made his points with his ideas, but those ideas seems to be of the same value as a boat with multiple holes in it. It might be a totally useless boat, but it sure is a boat... I guess.

The only good reason for this thread to exsist as I see it. Would be if Frank got the amazing realization or abillity to reconnect with other people, or atleast be able to discuss with other than himself. It cant be fun or easy to be stuck in such a limiting mind illusion that Frank seems to be in at the moment. And I sure hope that he one day will realize that for himself.

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Pathetic indeed.

Frank, I think that if we all got on one knee and verbally genuflected to your brilliance (as a few here actually tried), and we asked thoughtful questions about your work (which some of us did), and we voiced our agreement with your ideas ... and why (which some of us did), you would still call us pathetic.

If you refuse to respond directly to us, Frank, you also lose the right to call us pathetic, I think.

What you think is not academically honest. Face it, your opinions and ideas are based in fraudulent physics psuedoscience meant to suppress the truth and your labeling Frank as pathetic when it is he that is being truthful is frivolous and callous in nature. You ought to be ashamed of the academic dishonesty you are representing the community as possessing, especially when Frank demanded it so clearly and nicely. Frank wanted only to be recognized for that which is undeniably the truth and as such anybody who disagrees must be lying because the truth is the truth and nothing but the truth. Anything else is lies. If you cannot see things this way then get out of the thread, you are only meaning to distort the truth with your quite honestly pathetic lies meant to shroud the minds of potential truth seers with things like observable facts and reason. For this reason, your opinion is not credible in the least and honestly you should just give up on life because you are only bringing the rest of us down. That is all.

Frank, you are truly a visionary. Your scientifically based conclusions are based entirely on reason and well-thought out, reasonable ideas and concept. On behalf of the community, please accept my apology.

^^ Actually, Frank was the one calling us pathetic; I was responding to him.

And, assuming (hopefully) that you are being sarcastic, rest assured that Frank reads only his own posts, and will not enjoy/fall for your comments.