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      Unhappy very bad news for you guys




      Wake:REM:NREM ratio changes across lifespan

      hypnogram of a young adult (~25 years old)

      hypnogram of an elderly individual (~75 years old)


      Original website (full article)
      http://thesleepcycle.com/sleep-over-a-lifetime/
      Last edited by wana; 09-23-2011 at 11:47 PM.
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      the good news:

      if you learn LD when you're young, you will master it when you're old

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      in my opinion when people retire they should change thier sleep pattern to polyphasic sleeping
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      Seeing as most of us are past the big-ass 2 year drop but still LDing, I don't think there's much of a problem.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Puffin View Post
      Seeing as most of us are past the big-ass 2 year drop but still LDing, I don't think there's much of a problem.
      I agree with this.

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      I would like to see the same chart among active dreamers. Is this inevitable? Or can it be resisted through willpower and practice?
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      i may tend to think that it is inevitable because you no longer dream as when you were a baby ? so , and what do you call active dreamers ? because no matter what you remember or not you ALWAYS dream at night i think that polyphasic sleep is the solution to the lack of rem sleep
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      Quote Originally Posted by wana View Post
      in my opinion when people retire they should change thier sleep pattern to polyphasic sleeping
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      Yeah that's one way to keep your REM periods up. You don't need to retire, necessarily, though you do need about 2 weeks to a month off anything in order to acclimate.

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      If I don't die young I'm going to resist this natural process.

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      Considering the time dilation with dreams vs. real time, I think we'll get plenty of dream time to enjoy our LDing
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      Heh it's a shame we can't learn about lucid dreaming before we're 2!! I'm actually a little surprised that REM doesn't taper off more with age... looks like a 25 year old gets about an hour a night and a 90 year old about 45 minutes. Not bad a'tall!!

      And now I see why I can't seem to get more than 6 hours' sleep a night!! Hell, it's all I'm supposed to get!! Time to switch my WBTW to the 4 hour mark.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post
      Heh it's a shame we can't learn about lucid dreaming before we're 2!!.
      Another reason to be jealous of the naturals.

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      I wonder if anybody does lucid dream at that age? I wonder if the brain's underdeveloped state allows it?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post
      I wonder if anybody does lucid dream at that age? I wonder if the brain's underdeveloped state allows it?
      At 2? Nah, my guess is no because the brain is too underdeveloped to even recognise that you're dreaming. I'm thinking maybe around 4 - 6 that child may be able to pick it up naturally. At that age they most likely have no idea what's happening, however if this state remains constant until pre-adolescent then they become natural lucid dreamers I would believe.
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      all i know is that my children are going to know about lucid dreaming early enough , and if shared dreaming is realy real and is stable i will extend thier education in thier heads
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      Fast fact: We don't only dream during REM sleep.

      Fast Fact #2: There are ways of increasing the amount of REM sleep that we get. One of these ways is to get more sleep. (REM periods lengthen, the more hours of sleep that you get. That chart doesn't seem to depict the difference of sleep patterns between the average child and the average adult.) I'm almost thirty, and I'm still able to have enough vivid dreams to write full-page entries for single dreams, and have multiple dreams per night. Hell, I don't know if I could handle anymore REM sleep, when it comes to jotting down journal entries.

      The bad thing about graphs and statistics is that they usually show a very narrow view of a much broader topic. Case in point.
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      (from my experience i think that nrem dreams are thoughts because one time i had a dream that i doubted writing down because it was so thought - like , ) its just me if im wrong correct me
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      Quote Originally Posted by Oneironaut View Post
      The bad thing about graphs and statistics is that they usually show a very narrow view of a much broader topic. Case in point.
      Nicely said. All hail Oneironaut!

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      Good i learned about his now because i have about 60 years of lucid dreaming left.
      I was so much older then, I'm younger then that now.

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      Quote Originally Posted by wana View Post
      (from my experience i think that nrem dreams are thoughts because one time i had a dream that i doubted writing down because it was so thought - like , ) its just me if im wrong correct me
      Well, we have 'hypnagogic' and 'hypnopompic' imagery as well, which are those fleeting 'whisps' of dreams/visualizations that we get when we're either on the verge of falling asleep or waking up. They aren't quite those full-blown, 'deep' dreams, like when we are in REM. These do get stronger, in actual, non-REM sleep, though. So, in essense, we do still dream in non-REM sleep, but whether or not you want to call them 'dreams' (on the same level as REM dreams) is a matter of semantics, I suppose. I would still count them as dreams, though.
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      I know what you're talking about though wanna - I have had dreams that are basically just a stream of thoughts. I think these were nREM dreams. But there may well be other types of nREM dreams as well, such as the half-formed ones O is talking about. Or sometimes just a picture I'm looking at that isn't even moving.

      Just remembered - I've also had dreams that consist of nothing but hearing a song - sometimes a part of a song over and over.

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      Quote Originally Posted by wana View Post
      in my opinion when people retire they should change thier sleep pattern to polyphasic sleeping
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      That is truly awesome, I am deffinetly doing that when I am old.

      Like I said on another thread, it is possible (no matter the age) to 'mold' your brain, so if you do more lucid dreaming, your rem period will get larger and larger (I'm sure someone put a proof of that).
      I'm doing fine and I hope to stay that way.

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      I think I know why my dreams seem so dull. Probably because their nREM dreams. My dreams feel like memories, I never really felt I was there, but I remember them. With my lucid dream, after I wake up, I'm like woah, that was so different then my normal dreams. And also I felt I was there during lucid dreams.
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      I've already known this, and it did make me sad when I found out But really, I think that there isn't THAT big of a difference once you're an adult. And you can always WILD. Besides, take into account how much old people sleep...

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      Fun fact: afternoon naps are almost entirely REM
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