Thread: I have a question

Well I don't personally believe OBE's are possible but find you thread intriguing none the less. I'm just sorry that I don't realy have an answer for you

Originally Posted by robroy

My question is actually two rolled into one. Have any of you ever experienced viewing yourself "OBE" in this way, out the corner of your eyes?
And have you ever experienced pain in the very center of your head? This has only happened twice in my many years of experience.

Rob

Hello, robroy. Welcome.

This thread might do better in other places, but we'll leave it here and see who responds.

I have directly viewed my body, not even out of the corner of my eye, immediately after a successful WILD. The sensation is just getting up out of my body. Then I can look back at it.

I've done the OBE tests with cards and have never had a match. It is my humble opinion that most (if not all) OBE experiences are just lucid dreams, and the reason the OBE techniques are so very difficult is they are just different WILD techniques - which are of course also difficult.

Nope... never had the pain, unless I oversleep and get a headache.

Thanks for the feedback. Where else should I post my question.

ABout Lucid Dreams......Yes, they are just lucid dreams as ordinary dreams are just ordinary dreams. What is so amazing to me is that dreams are programmable. I have had mixed results in programming my dreams to givie me specific symbols ( each symbol represent a numbr 0 through 9. I have had some success in telling my dreamself that I wanted the correct symbols that correspond to the correct numbers for the Daily Three or The Daily Four lotto on a speciffic date. I have actually gotten the correct numbers and picked up a few extra dollars. The chanches of it just being pure luck are astronomical but not the proof that scientific experiment demands.
Rob

Huh... that is interesting. I've been meaning to ask a DC for some lottery numbers some day. I'm not too highly motivated to do it as I don't play the lottery, but maybe some day.

If this was a serious OBE thread, it would be long in Beyond Dreaming. No big deal. Sleep and Health is probably the wrong spot, other than you asking about that odd pain in the middle of your head.

Originally Posted by pj

I've done the OBE tests with cards and have never had a match. It is my humble opinion that most (if not all) OBE experiences are just lucid dreams, and the reason the OBE techniques are so very difficult is they are just different WILD techniques - which are of course also difficult.

I've never had the experience personally but, I completely agree that it must be a breed of lucid dream. I think all objective thinkers who understand LDing would be forced to draw the same conclusion.

Yes, it is intersting what the mind can do. However I must warn you that the techinque doesn't always work, or at least not completely.

Let me give you an example.

I made a list of things that appear in my dreams the most often; symbols that
appeare most freaquently in my dreams.

I then assigned each symbol a number. Here is an example:
0 = ball
1 = hat
2 = cat ( I love cats and they appear quuite frequently in my dreams )
3 = Star
4 = Computer monitor ( if you use that as a symbol, don't use a TV set as
the next symbol.That will cause confusion.
5 = A bowl of flowers
etc, ect You get what I mean I'm sure.

Memorize the symbols and what they mean. Go over them in your head during the day. Saturate your mind.

That night give yourself the instructions that: "When I dream tonight I want the correct symbolds that correspond to the correct numbers for the Daily Three ( or the Daily Four ) for the Mid-day drawing Monday the 2nd 2007.

You have to repeat this over and over to yourself. It would not hurt to repeat this over and over during the day as well.

You have to be very specific as to WHAT drawing. Most states have a mid-day and an evening drawing for the Daily 3 and 4. Be specific as to what month!

A few months ago I picked all four numbers correctly although not in the correct order. Wouldn't you know it the numbers did not show up on the day requested but three days later. It DID show up on the Mid-day drawing as I had requested. And of course I didn't play the numbers that day!!!!!

For me what usually happens is that the daily 3 will be either spot on, one number off, or all three numbers will show up a day late or later. Go figure.

Now you see what PSI does not lend itself to scientific scrutiney. It cannot be replicated consistently as science demands.

So when we talk about dreams and especially Lucid Dream, it turns out that they are pliable. You can program them.

NOW then, after awakening in the morning record your dream. For me, I find that it is usually the last dreamof the night that I remember and record. Look for the specific dream symbols. Do a few dry runs to see if it works. ANd by all means spend a couple of dollars and play the numbers. When I first experimented I didn't do that and sure enough the numbers DID appear and I didn't bet. Just goes to show you!

The key here is INTENT. The power of intention is valid whether it's programming yourself to have a lucid dream of a specific kind or programming it to answer some specific question you have on your mind. The subconscious listens and obeys.....sometimes...usually when it feels like it. It gets better as you practice.

Yea, I posted the same question about OBE on different boards here: a kind of shotgun approach.

Originally Posted by robroy

Now you see what PSI does not lend itself to scientific scrutiney. It cannot be replicated consistently as science demands.

Science does not demand that. If it did, Quantum Mechanics wouldn't be recognized as a functional way to describe the particle world.

What needs to be done is to establish a consistent probability differential. That's just a statistical analysis of control verses experiment. If you experience a consistently higher probability of hits, you certainly have something that science would take note of.

Yes, I agree that is more accurate but unfortunately the mainstream community of scientists seem to treat such things as PSI differently, at least as far as I can tell. Hopefully that will change. Mainstream Science still treates the field of psychology in a prejudiced way,as a non-science, although it's gradually growing out of it.

Regarding what we were talking about above, I'll post that kind of thing at The Lounge. Probably a more appropriate place. I just went there and place a small blurb about remote viewing. Should be interesting to see the response it gets(:-)

Good start on an interesting subject there, but I moved it to "Beyond Dreaming."

Originally Posted by robroy

... unfortunately the mainstream community of scientists seem to treat such things as PSI differently, at least as far as I can tell.

Yes, and with very good reason. When something shows no higher success rate than mere random probability then it doesn't warrant serious consideration. Like they say: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Psychics and their ilk just simply don't hold up under legitimate, objective scrutiny. There are people out there trying hard to find some claim like that that actually beats blind luck. Million dollar prices are up for the taking yet no legitimate example has ever been found. Plenty of frauds have been exposed though. That's why it's not taken seriously. And that's exactly why it shouldn't be.

(:-) Yes and no. Depends on the bias in the experiment. I have seen good PSI function again and again under reasonable circumstances. I am and have been for along time a rather skeptical natured individual. I did not accept the possibility of PSI until I exprienced it myself.