No responses? I would appreciate "hey this worked" or "this failed" or even "hey mofo get off this website". Nothing? |
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I'm not sure where this post actually belongs, so move it if it needs to be moved. Anyways, I've decided I'm going to share my knowledge of placebo. I may turn it into a tutorial later, we'll see. Anyways, this is designed to help anybody (with a high enough willpower) experience the effects of placebo. To many, including me, placebo works as a medicine, an anti depressant, and an over all slight edge over those who don't know how to use it. |
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No responses? I would appreciate "hey this worked" or "this failed" or even "hey mofo get off this website". Nothing? |
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Hello i find this very interesting. So what your saying is you can convince yourself that there is no pain or something? Basically inducing feelings with will power? |
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Dreams are today's answers to tomorrow's questions. ~ Edgar Cayce
That is pretty amazing that you are able to fool yourself like that. I've had some experience with this when it comes to pain. |
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Quite interesting however true placebo only works if you "know" that it isnt placebo eg treating hypochondriacs (a patient with imaginary symptoms and ailments) and they give them placebo medicine and the patient gets better. |
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I tried this out a few times today, and it actually seemed to work pretty well. |
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Do you know the terror of he who falls asleep? To the very toes he is terrified, Because the ground gives the way under him, And the dream begins... - Friedrich Nietzsche
This thread reminds me of the Buddha Boy in Nepal. What ever happened to him? |
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Very interesting. So im assuming it is obviously possible to achieve this through much practice. I never really knew much about it before, but since i now know i will be sure to try it out next time an occasion occurs. |
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Dreams are today's answers to tomorrow's questions. ~ Edgar Cayce
It doesnt even take a lot of practice to get it done the first time, but of course practice makes it easier. |
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This wouldn't work well for me, because I use the focus method where I have to see progress to work well. Anywyas, I have heard that simply believing you'll have a lucid dream will make you have one. Falls in line with what I've been saying. Thanks for the tip, Magical Mike! |
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Conscious induction of the subconscious effects of a placebo? Sounds useful, I should try it some time |
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This is a great topic! I am glad you posted this, I have actually been using the "Matrix" style (as you call it) to handle serious pain for the past year or two. Now, thanks to you, I can try out some (hopefully) more effective methods and things to use it for! I will try the other methods out and post here if it works better than my usual. |
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It all just comes down to being able to convince your mind of what you want. I have succeeded with making pain go away, regulating body temperature. But i have yet to make cold water hot and induce taste (that seems really hard) |
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Dreams are today's answers to tomorrow's questions. ~ Edgar Cayce
The problem is that you've already convinced yourself that it's going to be really hard. Out of curiosity, what method do you use? |
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By the way, don't be afraid to try new things. Another practical application I recently remember ( I used to practice it ). You can make your visual perception of time slow down. For instance, when riding in a car, you can slow the vision down just enough to take in more detail. Say there's a guy on the side of the road that you think you know. You would focus on him enough to notice that he's wearing his trademark AC/DC shirt and tan boots. Now, this is also a natural ability of the eye. Another thing that augments it is adrenaline. It has been recorded at events such as bungee jumping. In it, they use a clock that goes by hundredths of a second. Almost everybody who tried said that when they actually did the jump, it was much easier to read each individual number that passed by. It's a survival mechanism, so you can react quicker when you have adrenaline pumping. That brings me to another use, which is inducing an adrenaline rush. You can do this by feeling scared, or playing on your natural fears. For instance, if you are claustrophobic and are in a subway filled with people, you could use this to gain an adrenaline rush. I'm not sure why you would want to do this. Maybe you are anticipating getting into a fight. It can also work the other way. You can use your mind to very easily get over your fears and calm the adrenaline. A note on inducing adrenaline though, is that it often takes people over. They stop thinking and start acting purely on emotion. This is an important thing to learn to control, or it could have some serious consequences. It is also very hard to calm down from a fear or anger induced adrenaline rush, though the process can be sped up. |
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Sorry for the triple post, it's just the easiest way to do quotes. Anyways, it's true that it can be your body acclimating. However, you can also use your mind and cut to the nerves, making them deliver the message that the water is warm instead of cold. An easier way to do this, for example with a cold shower, is to make it colder and focus on it being warm, and then turn it up to the absolute highest you can get it to. |
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I use the focus method. It works pretty well for me |
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Dreams are today's answers to tomorrow's questions. ~ Edgar Cayce
Something else to note; this works both ways. That's why we have so many hypocondriachs (sp?). The easiest way for me to explain this would be uaing dreams. For instance, I tried to summon something once. I turned around and saw it for about half a second before waking up. The next ld I had, I tried to summon it again. The last instance was always in the back of my mind, and I woke up again when I saw it. This would be closer to actual plaebo than what I described earlier, but still not the right word. |
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me and my buddy use this method to help with our anxiety, we both have medicin bottles which we dont use any more and we fill them up with tic-tacs and try and use a placebo type affect in beliving when we take those pills we will feel calmer. |
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That's a good use for it. Another good way is (if he's a good buddy of yours), find his pills and replace them with tic tacs or sugar pills. Maybe even dump out the insides and fill them with something tasteless (like fiber substance). |
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Anxiety cancels this out for me. I can numb myself to pain almost effortlessly, but the second I get a little bit scared (especially of the painful thing) the pain comes back in force. Any help? |
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Not much else you can do except try to control the anxiety and cancel it out. If the mind can control pain it can control the thought process. It just takes practice |
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Dreams are today's answers to tomorrow's questions. ~ Edgar Cayce
It's the fear. Along with fear comes doubt ( doubt that something will proyect you, etc.) The way to get by this is to put yourself in the situation over and over until you're comfortable with it. If this isn't possible, just try to get used to increasing amounts of pain. Obviously use common sense and don't do something like cutting yourself for purposes such as these. |
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Last edited by panta-rei; 04-14-2009 at 01:33 AM.
All right, after some looking around, it seems that I may have found a better word for this: auto suggestion. It's a word I've heard many times, but I didn't make the connection until now. Also, I've learned of some new uses for placebo. They come from a great (albeit more spiritual than I like) book that my friend loaned me, called "your sixth sense". It has a great section in there on willpower and the power of the mind. There are a couple "placebos" that people do, especially when they have grave illnesses. One of the most common is for cancer. They imagine their white blood cells as knights in bright armor, and the cancer as knights in black armor. They then imagine the white knights attacking the black knights, without any of them dying. It supposedly helps, but there's not a whole lot of evidence to back it up. Oh well. If we needed evidence, we wouldn't be on this forum. |
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Well, it's been a while since I posted, but I wanted to let everybody know I'm turning this into a tutorial. I'm already working with Ninja9578 to get it published. Hazel, if you don't mind, I'm going to use your testimonial to illustrate a point, along with -InsaneKid-. If anybody has any suggestions, let me know before I get a final draft, and I can work with you to see if it's worth adding. Of course, you'll get full credit for whatever you do to help with it. |
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