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I know it's pointless to try to stop, but OS wars are ridiculous. They all work fine. They all appeal to people with different tastes and priorities.
All of the linux geeks would be living on the streets if Windows and Mac users didn't need IT support.
This just turned into a "what you can learn without actually understanding computers" fact out of context fest. Jussi is coming closer to real points than the other idiot. I'm so butthurt now, I can't even stand it! (hooray, for another typical response). Sorry, I only get butthurt about ignorance, not about people not liking Mac. I don't defend Mac in anyway (yeah, go read my post again. Where does it say anything about me standing up for Mac? Oh that's right, you're putting words in my mouth. I forgot.), but I won't tollerate idiocy.
Oh, you wear Nike? Lol. Nike. Adidas4lyfe, yo!
So explain why most design professionals (sound, visual, engineering, etc.) use macs?Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
I don't care about customization or open-source or configuring stuff. I have no passion for computers, programming, hardware...
My computer is a tool, I just want it to work and do what I tell it to without jumping through a thousand hoops. That saves me time, which gives me more time to do stuff away from the computer.
Windows is slow, buggy and prone to malware. I only use it for games (which I can dual-boot from my mac!). I don't have the patience or will to work with Linux, it doesn't do anything more that I need.
Hopefully our culture will one day overcome the impulse to OS Supremacism.
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/m.../linuxnazi.jpg
Note: I am Godwin-ing the OS debate only. Feel free to continue posting images and discussion of drool-inducing hardware.
http://reformedpastor.files.wordpres.../facepalm1.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Artelis
Only if you suck at life. I've been using Win7 without any antivirus software for over a year now. No malware here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartiate
Macs are deisgned by retards for retards. They suck and shouldn't even exist.
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They don't. Wanna be pros use macs. Real pros use windows because it allows for better software and hardware configurations, while macs restrict you to certain ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartiate
You sound very angry, has a mac hurt you in the past?Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
Except that some of the best software for design is made specifically for macs.Quote:
Originally Posted by JussiKala
Pretty is a side effect of awesomeness.Quote:
Originally Posted by JussiKala
Seriously though, prettiness is almost irrelevant. It's just the reason they've done so well lately,
not the reason why they're good to use.
oh hmmmm. Pretty sure it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by JussiKala
I can plug any sort of hardware in to my Mac and I haven't come across a single thing that it doesn't recognise
straight away. One time I spent about an hour fucking around and doing similar things to what I would do on Windows,
getting drivers and adding devices etc. only to realise I could simply use the scanner from Preview.
As they say "It just works".
As for software, there's heaps of open source for Mac, and if not, I just switch to windows in dual boot.
And the only reason Windows has more software is because it's been used more for longer.
I really don't think this is true at all either.Quote:
Originally Posted by JussiKala
Most of the time I don't even bother closing any of the programs I use and it barely affects speed.
Personally I already used Windows for many many years while I was a kid until about 5-6 years ago or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by JussiKala
But for people who have only used Mac, I could see the point. But it's a fairly trivial point.
QFT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartiate
Lol, how do you know? 90% of your hard drive could be malware and you wouldn't have a clue (disregarding incredibly slow speed).Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
Yeah they restrict you to certain ones which are better.Quote:
Originally Posted by JussiKala
I earned $500 one time because someone with Windoze couldn't convert DV tapes to DVD. My computer has worse specs, but it had better software.
Macs certainly have better software for design and editing etc.
@prettiness: It was just a counter point against the usual argument that mac is prettier
By multitasking, I mean multitasking. That is not the same as keeping multiple windows open.
@software: Better ones such as? Just give me a few examples of programs that beat any program with the same function in windows, that is not available for windows.
@compatability: Know how to use windows and it will be a million times more compatible. For hardware, mac doesn't support hardware changes, nor can you buy any combination of hardware you might want in a mac computers. By software, sure, there are enough programs for mac. But when you are looking for someting extremely specific, mac just won't do. Those are only available for windows.
Whaaaa? Multitasking means being able to do more than one thing at a time. i.e having more than one program open at a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by JussiKala
Yes, but it depends on what you are doing with those programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Having internet radio in the background and rendering a video edit at the same time while browsing dreamviews.org is NOT multitasking.
Opening lots of windows and viewing them at once and really utilizing them all is multitasking.
LOL yes it is. You can't set a level of CPU usage or something for it to be accepted as multitasking lolQuote:
Having internet radio in the background and rendering a video edit at the same time while browsing dreamviews.org is NOT multitasking.
Anyway, it's besides the point. I have had Flash, Illustrator and Photoshop all open before and on other occasions, iMovie importing video from a camcorder while converting movie files and burning DVD's.
Macs are known for multitasking, (on of the reasons designers etc. use them) I don't know how you could even make the assertion that they're not good at it.
Macs RARELY even support 4 or more monitors. They are not fit for heavy multitaskers. My monitors are one reason for me not moving to linux or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
And when they do, the window management with multiple monitors is inferior to the windows one, if you have a couple of helpful programs installed in windows.
Let me just say it: Unless your screen has more than 2048 horizontal pixels, you really can't multitask properly. You'd need more screens.
I currently have a youtube video in my 3rd monitor, a bunch of browser windows open each with 20 tabs for basic browsing on my 1st monitor, my essay and the sources open on my 2nd monitor and if I had a 4th monitor active ATM, I'd have some temperature monitor programs as well as chats on it. Those are currently running in the background.
This is light multitasking. Not heavy.
Why don't you two just unzip and have a sword fight?
My work here is done. ;)
Edit: back on topic. My Pandora shipped today! I should see it and all its splendor on Friday! I can't wait!
I love how people subtly change their argument when they realise they're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by JussiKala
Problem is, you still have the eternal question to answer, how long is a piece of rope?
(How heavy is heavy [It is a rhetorical question {It cannot be answered}]).
Correction to an earlier post: Nook Color OCs easily and stably to 1.3Ghz :shadewink:
Two of these will be mine in a month or two when I build my next computer.
http://jimmspc.fi/imagecache/6/5/50165_650x400_1.jpg
Would you ever need it that fast though though? BTW, hows it treatin' ya? What are you using it for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taosaur
@JussiKala That's pretty smexy. Out of my price range though, and my 4870 is plenty of power IMO.
I'm currently running an unlocked phenom x2 555BE (unlocks to x4) but I'm running stock because it's the stock cooler still on it. Also running a 5870, but I don't think it's enough. Especially when I'm planning on going 3x 1600x1200 eyefinity. The thing can barely hold its own at 2048x1536.Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
I'm choosing those GPUs anyways, but whether I'm going sandy bridge or bulldozer is yet to be decided. I'm hoping BD won't flop.
I'm not sure if it's a performance gain over 1.1Ghz, but 1.1Ghz was definitely an improvement over stock, especially for Flash video, but also snappier response throughout the interface (and yes, my rippling water live wallpaper is absolutely necessary). It has a decent governor, so it's not like it's actually spending a lot of time at 1.3Ghz. Predictably, I spend nearly as much time playing with it as playing on it--flashing ROMs and kernels, trying out apps, playing with settings and arranging everything where I want it. The main thing I actually use it for is reading--you know, what it's supposed to do. I have gotten sucked into some games for a couple hours here and there, and I'm just leaving the SNES/Genesis/PSx emulators alone for now (mostly).Quote:
Originally Posted by LikesToTrip
I do find myself using it more than my PC now for e-mail, weather, and probably for facebook. Sometimes I find myself using the NC and my PC simultaneously, which seems a little ADD, but whatever.
I did have a 'tablet moment' reading Godel, Escher, Bach on the front porch today, where out of nowhere I thought, "I'm totally in Star Trek," and it was good.
Hope you're using water cooling lolQuote:
Originally Posted by JussiKala
Half of that looks like a fan anyway lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommo
Trust me, that is not enough. It can run fine in single card mode on stock clocks, but when you have two cards next to each other and both are overclocked, things start to get hot. They NEED more cooling. But I'm not sure I'm willing to pay for the extra cooling though. I'm the most cheapskate PC enthusiast ever. My rig has a phenom x2 unlocked to x4, I'm in posession of two radeon 5870s and a 5770, I have quadruple monitors, a mechanical keyboard, and a 80€ mouse. All this for 350€. That's amazing considering what I've got. I've gotten so much hardware for free or for ridiculous pricies that it's insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loaf
I'm probably only going to get a case, CPU, GPUs, mobo for my next build. I already got everything else. Shouldn't cost more than 800€