More Vista trouble

Ah yeah, your right about that.

But again, it would have to do with some of the programs on Windows. I can see how Itunes would be nice for a Mac, but with Windows, you could just get a program like Limewire, and drag all your music files into it's folder (or download them or whatever...) and close out of it without having to worry about a window and your music quit playing. It'd be a nice little icon in the corner.

But yeah, I would say it really just has to do with different programs with the Mac and PC. With a Mac, you'd have to get used to quiting out of a program when your done with it completely (like IE), and with a windows, you'd have to get used to not closing out of the program when your not done with it (Like Photoshop) :P

Ah, I see.

Limewire, slayer? Use foobar2000 for playing music, man. And get Frostwire for P2P.

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I also hate that Windows has no differentiation between closing a window and closing an application. Why is it that when I close the AIM window on Windows, the whole program stops? That's just stupid. If I wanted to quit the program, I would.

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Yeah you know, that's developers doing stupid things. Windows can fully support programs that do not have windows, but are still engaged, like Live Messenger.

Well then Developers should do that, at least Microsoft developers should. Especially for things that people want to run in the background like media playing / formatting.

Well, as I said, foobar2000 does it. In fact, I've got it playing right now with no window open.

but does it play mp4s or does it require you to downgrade all your music to mp3 or god forbid the windows audio format

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but does it play mp4s or does it require you to downgrade all your music to mp3 or god forbid the windows audio format

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It plays MP4, Ogg Vorbis, AAC, FLAC . . . pretty much everything. Has a very small footprint, too.

Nice, I'll use that at work. Does it have a clear way of organizing data? That's iTunes biggest thing, it's organizational tools.

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Nice, I'll use that at work. Does it have a clear way of organizing data? That's iTunes biggest thing, it's organizational tools.

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I seem to have a problem with Itunes...

Sometimes, I'll be working on one of the Macs at school with Itunes open listening to some of my game sounds for some project I'm working on.

I'll have Itunes open, and as one of the sounds are playing, another one will play half-way through.

The sounds are .wavs and both .wav's and .mp3's will both play through sounds that are already playing.

I'm not sure how to fix that. Another problem is that after one sound plays, the one under it plays, and so on.

I've tried changing the play settings to turn off shuffle and what not, but they keep playing on and I can't get them to stop D:

It's option in the perferences. Turn off cross-fade songs, by default it's set to fade in the last 5 seconds of one song and fade in the first 5 of the next song. It's nice for song, but not for what you're using it for.

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I also hate that Windows has no differentiation between closing a window and closing an application. Why is it that when I close the AIM window on Windows, the whole program stops? That's just stupid. If I wanted to quit the program, I would.

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This is one of the dumbest arguments I've heard in awhile. I actually laughed at that.

You sure you're not grasping at straws here? Holy shit, closing the window closes the window! Also, that would be AIM's fault that it doesn't do everything you want the way you want it, not Windows.

Demon, if you've ever used a Mac, you would know why having it act the way it does, can be somewhat annoying.

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Demon, if you've ever used a Mac, you would know why having it act the way it does, can be somewhat annoying.

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I have used a Mac, and it's overpriced garbage. It doesn't handle IM clients any differently, almost all of them go to the system tray when you press X. If it's not doing that, you need to go into the settings and change it.

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Nice, I'll use that at work. Does it have a clear way of organizing data? That's iTunes biggest thing, it's organizational tools.

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Well, it's a very minimalist player. Organizational tools aren't really a minimalist feature. It does have tagging, the ability to rename and move files and such, but it is not a full-blown media player—it's a lightweight music player. However, it works just fine for me. It does all the usual, basic things, but its claim to fame is how small and simple it is. If you want fancy, foobar2000 is probably not for you. To give you an idea, it's smaller/simpler than WinAmp or Quintessential Player. However, it sounds better. As in, it sounds noticeably better. Has a much smaller memory footprint as well.

It's very customizable, with plugins and such to boot, though I don't bother with them much.

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Holy shit, closing the window closes the window!.

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No, that's the problem. Closing the window in Windows does close the window, it closes the program.

While I do agree that Apple laptops are overpriced, I wouldn't say they're garbage. OSX is so much better than Windows in many ways.

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I'm not about to go through learning how WINE works and crawl forums with commands, just so I can play games with bad performance and graphics. Until developers like Valve, Adobe and Blizzard start developing for Linux, I'm not changing operating system.

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Uhm, WINE works fine. No commands for Steam. In fact, it is in my Applications menu, and I had an icon on my panels. No terminal to type into, at all. Don't know what you are talking about. And, games on WINE run with normal graphics and performance, so again, either I don't know what you're talking about, or you don't.

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I gave Linux another chance some time ago on my laptop, and it was still shit. Couldn't really get anything to work with WINE, performance wasn't stunning, my battery was getting sucked dry within 30 minutes and the system generally seems more complicated than windows. By more complicated, I mean that Windows gives you a lot more easy to understand information, whereas on Linux you'll have to talk to people on forums and whatnot.

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Couldn't get anything to work with WINE? I fail to see how you can't get WINE to work. It's very simple. As for the battery, I can't say anythng on that, my battery has always been shit. Can't tell a difference, because it's always plugged in :P. As for Windows giving easier information? How? What information do they give you? The number for a help line? How about ubuntuforums.org, post a thread, get a quick fix in minutes. I did that just yesterday, actually. Within ten minutes, someone helped me. Isn't that actually easier than Microsoft?

I don't need to go on ubuntu forums, I can just make a google search. What I mean, is that Windows is sometimes easier to handle. About WINE, I tried using the commands that people said I should use for WoW, and then it just told me that the graphics driver wasn't properly installed (which it was) or something along those lines.

You don't understand though. I don't want to use WINE, I just want everything to work. Something that Linux has never been able to do for me, but Windows and to some extent OSX has.

Games like WoW (and others that provide native OpenGL engines) is where Wine shines
Especially with an nVidia card

OpenGL under Unix performs substantially better than OpenGL under Win32 (mainly due to superior memory management)

Couple that with an nVidia card, that use an OpenGL-like interface at the hardware level, so OpenGL can communicate directly with the hardware
By contrast, DirectX needs a translation layer (it's done in the driver, so it's damn fast - but it's an extra step)

My laptop has an ATI card, I guess that could be the reason it didn't work too well?

yes,
there's numerous bugs filed against the ATI proprietary driver
but, being closed source, there's nought to be done except complain to AMD/ATI

nVidia, at least, fix bugs wihin a month
ATI just seem to leave them

Hopefully the open source 3D drivers for ATI cards will supersede the closed ones in terms of performance and card support
but it may take a while (6 months, a year ??)