http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...ord-in-US.html
the last couple of years have not been kind to them
almost feel sorry
almost
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...ord-in-US.html
the last couple of years have not been kind to them
almost feel sorry
almost
:lol: I'm starting to feel bad for Microsoft, too. Sure they brought it on themselves, but I still feel the pain.
I think my sympathy for Microsoft grows along with my hatred for Apple. I'm still stuck in the '80s, where they are the only two kids on the swing set.
no, I take it back
This is payback for suing TomTom over FAT patents in their Linux based GPS devices
Live by the sword, die by the sword
Karma.
They'll still find a way to sell it
pwned.
Word is a piece of crap anyway, it doesn't even do truetype.
First of all, the verdict makes me happy--maybe unjustifiably so, but happy nevertheless. However, did anyone actually read the article? Either that article's description of the ruling was completely inaccurate (it wasn't written by a techie, judging by the statement that XML is a "kind of programming language") or the ruling was completely unfounded. According to the article, "The ruling covers all Microsoft Word products that can open XML files or DOCX and DOCM documents." That sounds like the ruling wasn't that Microsoft violated i4i's patent on Microsoft's Office Open XML (.docx and friends) but rather on Extensible Markup Language itself. If I'm reading that correctly, the implications (due to this judge's ignorance) are very, very bad for UNIX, free software as a whole, and even the WWW.
Yeah, I was wondering that too. My company uses XML.
XML wasn't invented by a Canadian company though, it was invented by the XML Working Group, which was made up of several people from various companies, including Microsoft.
I understood the article to say that Microsoft stole their XML format ie, the tags, not the language itself.
I'm really hoping you're right.
The key phrase is "XML files or DOCX and DOCM documents." If that "or" is being used as a conjunction, that would mean XML allegedly violates i4i's patent, as well as the specific DOCX and DOCM documents. Hopefully, it's an explanatory "or" as in "XML files, i.e. DOCX and DOCM documents." If that's the case, then you're right that they didn't find XML as a whole to infringe on patents. There's no reason that it should, but the wording of that article scares me.Quote:
The ruling covers all Microsoft Word products that can open XML files or DOCX and DOCM documents.
Yeah, I think that it's just Microsoft's version of XML tags. XML is an open standard, which Microsoft helped design.
Another $40 million.
Ouch.
Oh... that's much different than the XML format itself. :tongue:Quote:
XML editing patent
It's about time. Microsoft has stolen almost every product they've ever released and keep getting slaps on the wrist. I think the courts just couldn't do anything about it because there were no alternatives and knocking Microsoft down would severely cripple the computer industry.
Say what you will, Word 2003 is still much better than Open Office.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninja9578
True, but Pages 09 is light years ahead of Word 03.
Feature-wise, there's little differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by khh
this is entirely personal preference
I prefer OpenOffice
purely because I know it better than any other office suite
Never heard of it. I might look into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninja9578
Edit: Ah, it's apple software -.-
The spell checker in Word is better. I use that feature a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ynot
The main reason I don't use OpenOffice is the interface. It's way too ... slow-feeling, too heavy for me. Of course, Word 2007 is a disaster interface-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ynot
Wow, this is huge. That's definitely karma, though..
It's made in Java, that is the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by khh
And Word 2007 is actually much more productive after you get used to Ribbon. It's just a huge change which makes most people hate it at first, but it's great once you learn it.
no it's notQuote:
Originally Posted by Demon Parasite
the vast majority of openoffice is C++
the only bits that are java, are the document filters
in fact, lifted straight from wikipedia
Quote:
The following areas of OpenOffice.org 2.0 depend[92] on the JRE being present:
- The media player on Unix-like systems
- All document wizards in Writer
- Accessibility tools
- Report Autopilot
- JDBC driver support
- HSQL database engine, which is used in OpenOffice.org Base
- XSLT filters
- BeanShell, the NetBeans scripting language and the Java UNO bridge
- Export filters to the Aportis.doc (.pdb) format for the Palm OS or Pocket Word (.psw) format for the Pocket PC
- Export filter to LaTeX
- Export filter to MediaWiki's wikitext
:wtf: Really? Then why don't they use it for their render engine too? I know I don't see truetype in OOo.Quote:
Export filter to LaTeX
Ynot's right though, there is little Java left in OOo. There used to be when Sun took over the project, they moved a lot of their Star Office into it, but the community slowly widdled away the Java.
i4i (the company with the patent) has confirmed that ODF (and indeed, any other XML technology) is unaffected
Summary of the position,
in 1998, i4i designed, and patented, a technique of encapsulating a rich-text document in XML format - this technique included a way to "extend" the functionality available through the document, by way of custom XML schemas
in 2001, MS went into partnership with i4i to include the feature in MS Word (due to mounting pressure on MS to include an open document format)
This would become OOXML
Seems MS took their code, and used it without upholding their end of the deal (Ie. they ripped i4i off)
i4i sued, and won
MS hit with big fine
MS likely to be ordered to strip OOXML out of MS Office
What a shame! Such a good program too.