Thread: Quickly Transition From Vibrations to LD

This vibration technique sounds cool. The one time ive been able to WILD was using this technique. Based on descriptions of SP i dont think ive experienced that since childhood however this vibration stage is quite enjoyable. I was just lying there trying to WILD while napping and the vibrations started. One thing that helps it seems is indulging the vibrations kind of like absorbing the feeling of a warm drink or fire. When i did this the vibrations power increased exponentially. Then just like Aquanina said a lucid dream formed. Interestingly mine was sort of like an OBE in that i "woke up" laying on my bed and had to step out of my body.
Also about your learning Aquanina: Learning intuitively was the way i learned how to lucid dream since i didnt even know what it was at the time. It seems we all have the skill naturally and we can intuitively listen to our body's responses in order to increase our skill. I am glad you are open enough to learn this way, as i think it is the best way to learn. Good luck on your future vibratory excursions!

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Unlike your description, when I force the vibrations to become stronger, it rarely leads to a lucid dream. Normally, it just makes me feel uncomfortably jittery and claustrophobic. Sometimes the feeling is so intense, I feel like I am going to explode if I don't move on or get away from my body.

Try first moving the vibrations to your brain (without trying to increase intensity)...somewhere near the top front part of the head. It's a very specific area, but it seemed to be the only area in the brain that responded to the vibrations so I don't think it will be hard to pinpoint. Once it starts vibrating you will actually be able to feel it as a mass of nerve cells firing in sync (actually called a *neural ensemble), and it will begin vibrating very soft and subtly at first, and differently from the rest of the vibrations you had been experiencing. Only then, when the vibration is focused on that particular neural ensemble, do you move awareness to it and attempt to accelerate the vibration.

Originally Posted by Jay12341235

You aren't paralyzed in this state were you? Were you halucinating yet?

When I get them, I'm just laying in bed fully conciouss and they start suddenly and end soon. I can still move my body.

Does this sound like yours?

Yes I was already in sleep paralysis when the vibrations began...I don't think you will get the vibrations unless you are fully in sleep paralysis. No I was not hallucinating yet...and in fact, I skipped the hypnagogic hallucinations and went straight to lucid dream.

You shouldn't be able to move your body during the vibrational state because you would already be in SP at that point.

Originally Posted by Alucinor XIII

I've noticed that I can intensify the vibrations in general if I focus my attention to that area, but realized that my facial muscles and eyes around that area also tense up a bit, and I assumed that would screw up the WILD. I'm going to give it a go tonight... Have you noticed if you scrunch up your face as a side-effect of this, or is it strictly mental?

I'm no expert on pain/tension but here's my theory.

In pain science, thresholds are measured by gradually increasing the intensity of a stimulus such as electric current, this is basically what you are doing when consciously intensifying any vibration. It is my belief that the body registers changes in vibrational frequencies as tension. In truth, there's nothing bad or painful about tension...it's only different to what we're used to...so the mind registers different vibrations as pleasure or pain, and I've experienced both. I don't scrunch up my face at all or anything though, for me this all takes place pretty deep inside the head, and I'm so used to working with different vibrational frequencies that I don't even register them as tension or pain anymore...and I merely consciously observe it as a different frequency. I think that's one of the keys to becoming more self aware of what is going on inside your own brain: learning how to recognize brain frequencies, common neural pathways, and when different areas or neural ensembles become activated and to what purpose.

Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

Also about your learning Aquanina: Learning intuitively was the way i learned how to lucid dream since i didnt even know what it was at the time. It seems we all have the skill naturally and we can intuitively listen to our body's responses in order to increase our skill. I am glad you are open enough to learn this way, as i think it is the best way to learn. Good luck on your future vibratory excursions!

Me too! And thanks, you too!

*In large-scale oscillations, amplitude changes are considered to result from changes in synchronization within a neural ensemble, also referred to as local synchronization, and have been linked to cognitive functions such as perception and motor control.

I really hope others have success with this strategy!

It's interesting that Neil Slade gives instructions on his website for activating the amygdala nuclei in the media temporal lobes.

Amygdala Activation

P.S. You locked the tarot thread before I could reply... Oh well, I can't defy a mod rod! I prefer the half naked angel to the broken ginger bread man

Thank you for letting me know about the Tarot thread! I have no idea how that got closed.

I'm definitely going to read through everything in that link you provided, thanks. I've been messing around with exploring my brain for a few years now. It's wonderful.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Thank you for letting me know about the Tarot thread! I have no idea how that got closed.

I'm definitely going to read through everything in that link you provided, thanks. I've been messing around with exploring my brain for a few years now. It's wonderful.

Sorry, I assumed it must have been you. Mysterious...

Aquanina, I've basically been doing the same thing for a while. Except, I learn that these vibration were unneeded, and I would instead, usually simulate the feeling of passing out [1], when my body felt tired/weak. Waiting late for the vibrations to be felt is like waiting to accept being in a dream only when the emergence of a dream scene comes to view, when you could already be in one.

[1] Kinda imagine dying in the "fading away" fashion.

Interesting thread, Aquanina. I haven't done much with vibrations in a long time (I typically just ignore them), but this sounds like a great reason to start experimenting again.

Thanks for posting this! I'll report back with my results when I get the chance. ^.^

Also, I figured I'd weigh in on the debate with cmind:

Cmind, the technique Aquanina is relating here isn't, itself, a WILD. Instead, it's a cool trick that could potentially be focused into a transitional method, among other things. There's a pretty big difference there, but the important thing to understand is what Aquanina has presented is an entirely new offshoot of study that could have many applications, including, but not limited to, achieving WILDs.

Well said Mzzkc, and thank you. I hope you have some success with this technique if you get the opportunity to use it.

I tried this a few months ago while listening to delta binaural beats and for some reason it gave me a huge headache, so I had to turn the music off. I think it wont hurt to try it again but this time without binaural beats.

@Jay12341235 I get vibrations too when I'm not in SP.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Yes I was already in sleep paralysis when the vibrations began...I don't think you will get the vibrations unless you are fully in sleep paralysis. No I was not hallucinating yet...and in fact, I skipped the hypnagogic hallucinations and went straight to lucid dream.

You shouldn't be able to move your body during the vibrational state because you would already be in SP at that point.

I get the vibrations often, but no SP

Was gonna wait 'till I had a couple more experiences before posting, but I've got some time now, so I figured, "Why not?"

My first go at Aquanina's technique (needs an name, please no "ILD" DX ) was meant to be a practice round to get myself acquainted with sustaining and directing the sensations. As such, I made the attempt before getting any sleep in order to see A.) How far I could get; B.) How long it would take; and C.) What I could do with the vibrations.

((This got tl;dr so I shortened it))

Remember, I made the attempt before any sleep in order to better determine its overall effectiveness. So, no LD, but I did get some good information.

Firstly, the technique got me as far as HH in about ten to twenty minutes (confirmed by horizontal spinning sensations identical to those I've experienced during successful attempts before) which is farther than I've ever gotten during attempts directly before bed.

Redirection of the vibrations is fairly intuitive, and they can be used to induce orgasm (nice tip there, btw).

Finding the spot in the brain to focus on was trickier; it sorta found itself. The area in question, for me, was about at brow level, slightly to the left, about an inch or two into the brain. I'd relate a description of the sensation, but I don't trust my memory of it right now.

Finally, I figured out that I could start/restart the vibrations by focusing in on that spot for a few minutes and then redirecting the sensation to my hands. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to achieve this every time I tried it, so take that with a grain of salt.


From here I plan to try this during a proper WBTB and see what happens. Should be fun.

YES!!!! Definitely on to something here. I got the closest I've been to consciously WILD'ing. The few other times I've WILDed I sort of just ended up in a dream as far as I can remember.

But I tried this last night before I'd slept at all and I started getting slight HI (A problem for me is that if I try to dream or even enter a dream right at the beginning of the night, before dreaming at all, the visuals are very vague and dark).
Like geometric patterns pulsating quickly towards me. I've never seen something like this before while WILD'ing.
I think if I do this after sleeping for a bit, or during the afternoon, this will work great.

First of all, it's my first post. Hello, everyone.

Thank you for the idea, it is very interesting. I usually get to strong vibrations before five minutes from going to sleep, so if this works it would be perfect for me.

I'm also an example for the fact, that SP doesn't have to occur when vibrations do.

Finally something that explains what to do with vibrations!!!! Thanks!

Originally Posted by Mzzkc

My first go at Aquanina's technique (needs an name, please no "ILD" DX ) was meant to be a practice round to get myself acquainted with sustaining and directing the sensations.

Redirection of the vibrations is fairly intuitive, and they can be used to induce orgasm (nice tip there, btw).

Finding the spot in the brain to focus on was trickier; it sorta found itself. The area in question, for me, was about at brow level, slightly to the left, about an inch or two into the brain. I'd relate a description of the sensation, but I don't trust my memory of it right now.

From here I plan to try this during a proper WBTB and see what happens. Should be fun.

Don't worry...I wouldn't let it become an "ILD" lol. And yes, redirection of the vibrations IS really intuitive and easy. That's one of the things I probably could have stressed a bit better. But it's strange how much the vibrations react to mere thought. It's surprising to have control over, what seems to be, an autonomous body function. I also agree with your placement in the brain...it is deep, not peripheral. However I thought that telling people to focus on the top front of the brain, that their consciousness would naturally at least pass through and recognize the sweet spot on their journey towards that area of the top front part of the skull. I didn't want to tell people to feel for something deep in the brain because that gets more difficult to visualize, and overshooting it seems to have worked well since you did manage to discover the spot easily, yeah? I'm not explaining it well so let me know if I've confused you, and good luck using this to get a LD.

Originally Posted by tommo

But I tried this last night before I'd slept at all and I started getting slight HI (A problem for me is that if I try to dream or even enter a dream right at the beginning of the night, before dreaming at all, the visuals are very vague and dark).
Like geometric patterns pulsating quickly towards me. I've never seen something like this before while WILD'ing.
I think if I do this after sleeping for a bit, or during the afternoon, this will work great.

My visuals are really dark at that part of the night too...I guess it has to do with the natural stage the body wants to enter at that time, which is NREM/slow wave sleep. My more colorful HI and dreams will always occur later in the night and early morning. Anyways, hope it works for ya when you try it during a WILD.

I think you may wan't to check this out. It's semi-related and it's about stimulating the pineal gland in order to induce lucid dreams.

http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/stimul...l-gland-80650/

Quick question. What exactly does OP mean by "Vibrations"?

When I tried to WILD, I came into a state whre I could feel jolts at certain, or random, parts of my body. I don't know if this is what you guys are refering to as vibrations. I don't think I ever felt my whole body vibrate before. All I've felt were simple jolts and twitches, all uncontrollable.

If what I am experiencing is not what you guys call "vibrations", can one of you kindly provide an explanation? I know it sounds obvious, but I've felt so many things when trying out WILD that it's hard to tell what's what.

Also, how long does it take for you guys to feel these vibrations? Do they happen shortly after you begin your WILD attempt or do they take longer? An estimate would be really nice!

Originally Posted by Clairvoyance

Quick question. What exactly does OP mean by "Vibrations"?

When I tried to WILD, I came into a state whre I could feel jolts at certain, or random, parts of my body. I don't know if this is what you guys are refering to as vibrations. I don't think I ever felt my whole body vibrate before. All I've felt were simple jolts and twitches, all uncontrollable.

If what I am experiencing is not what you guys call "vibrations", can one of you kindly provide an explanation? I know it sounds obvious, but I've felt so many things when trying out WILD that it's hard to tell what's what.

It's like epilepsy attack, only your body doesn't move and it's not painful. It's a sensation of vibrations through the whole body, not just single twitches. In my case it starts with eyelids.

Also, how long does it take for you guys to feel these vibrations? Do they happen shortly after you begin your WILD attempt or do they take longer? An estimate would be really nice!

It seems the time is different for everyone. For me, they occur very quickly, usually before five minutes from closing my eyes. Many people here say it connects with sleep paralysis, which would mean that vibrations occur considerably later.

Originally Posted by Clairvoyance

When I tried to WILD, I came into a state whre I could feel jolts at certain, or random, parts of my body. I don't know if this is what you guys are refering to as vibrations. I don't think I ever felt my whole body vibrate before. All I've felt were simple jolts and twitches, all uncontrollable.

Those are called hypnogogic jerks, and they usually only occur during the 1st wake-sleep transition. These will probably go away if you WILD during a WBTB.

Originally Posted by mikeac

I think you may wan't to check this out. It's semi-related and it's about stimulating the pineal gland in order to induce lucid dreams.

http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/stimul...l-gland-80650/

The pineal gland is just that...a gland. As far as I can tell, it has no relationship with dreaming whether lucid or not.

Some basic info on dream physiology...

Lower Brain Causes REM sleep
The oldest part of the brain, shared by all vertebrates, is the brain stem. In 1977, Allan Hobson and R McCarley discovered that electrochemical pulses from the brain stem create the stage of sleep in which most dreams occur. Known as REM, which stands for rapid eye movement, this stage of sleep guides the paralysis of all voluntary muscle groups, except for the eyes. Scientists believe these brain pulses from the pons region of the brain stem may create the seemingly random shifts in dream scenery for which dreams are so well known.

Middle Brain Adds Emotions
When dreaming sleep begins, the middle brain "lights up" with activity. In fact, this part of the brain, which humans share with all mammals, is more activated than in waking life. Also known as the limbic system, the middle brain controls emotional responses and cravings. One organ in the brain is especially active: the amygdala, a walnut-sized mass that philosopher Rene Descartes once thought was the seat of the soul. Today, the amygdala is better called the seat of fear, due to its role in maintaining fight-or-flight responses.

Higher Brain Makes Sense of it All
Why don't we realize when dreaming that monsters, ghosts and goblins are not real? In 2002, co-author Allen Braun of the National Institutes of Health published positron emission tomography, or PET, data from the brain scans of dreaming patients clearly showing how the higher brain is largely offline during dreaming sleep. Specifically, the prefrontal cortex that generates language, logic and critical thinking is taking an electrochemical nap while we run away from our nightmare goblins. However, some critical thinking still occurs in dreams, evidenced by the way we create new outcomes in dreams by trying to "work around" the weird plot changes and bizarre visual imagery.

An exception to the lack of executive functioning in REM sleep may be lucid dreaming, which is when the dreamer knows he is dreaming. Validated in the laboratory by Stanford psychophysiologist Stephen LaBerge, lucid dreaming is marked by conscious choices, active thinking and logical reasoning in the dream. This claim is strengthened by researcher Ursula Voss, who along with her colleagues from the Neurological Laboratory in Frankfurt, Germany, revealed that the brain has heightened activity in the frontal and frontolateral areas during these "self-aware" dreams.

Originally Posted by Clairvoyance

Quick question. What exactly does OP mean by "Vibrations"? ...I don't think I ever felt my whole body vibrate before.

Also, how long does it take for you guys to feel these vibrations? Do they happen shortly after you begin your WILD attempt or do they take longer?

By "vibrations" I mean...well...vibrations! It would be silly to use another word to describe it. Imagine sitting in one of those vibrating massage chairs. It is not a subtle physical sensation (though at times you can experience them more or less intensely), so you really can't miss it when it happens.

It depends on where I am in my REM cycle. At times I may wake up in the middle of the night, and then as I am falling right back asleep I will feel those vibrations almost immediately. But if I try a WILD from a full waking state, like during a daytime nap, then it might take me 15-30 minutes or sometimes even much longer to get to the vibrational state...something I no longer have the patience for actually. So really it just depends.

Originally Posted by cuckoo

It seems the time is different for everyone. For me, they occur very quickly, usually before five minutes from closing my eyes. Many people here say it connects with sleep paralysis, which would mean that vibrations occur considerably later.

Well, where at in the sleep cycle are you when you get the vibrations? Bedtime? Middle of the night? WBTB? So, just to be clear...you are not in or entering sleep paralysis when you get vibrations? Are we talking about the same vibrations?

This is awesome! Great find, Aquanina!

I know everyone has asked this, but I just want to be sure: these vibrations are the tingly feeling you get when you don't move your body for a little bit, right? Laying perfectly still will induce these vibrations after about a minute or so, starting in the feet? You just think about your brain once the vibrations start?

If so, this is incredible. You've just cut all the hard parts out of WILDing and the hours and hours I could never get through. This technique should be pretty quick - instant lucids in about one or two minutes after lying down? This might be a huge breakthrough and might make WILDing obsolete altogether. I'm definitely going to try this as soon as possible.

(Of course, I could be reading it wrong and it could be some really complicated technique that take hours to practice and perfect. )

Originally Posted by GMoney

I know everyone has asked this, but I just want to be sure: these vibrations are the tingly feeling you get when you don't move your body for a little bit, right? Laying perfectly still will induce these vibrations after about a minute or so, starting in the feet? You just think about your brain once the vibrations start?

Sorry to burst your bubble...but no...the vibrations being discussed here are the intense full body vibrations felt when entering sleep paralysis, or when coming out of sleep paralysis just waking from a dream.

The tingly feeling you are referring to I believe is just a sense of your body going numb. That is not sleep paralysis. You would still be able to move your body during that time. The vibrations only occur when entering or exiting SP/REM atonia, when you cannot move your physical body.

Darn, okay. Thanks anyways.

I've never even gotten to that stage then; I've lain (lied? layed?) there for hours without feeling that, but I guess that's a different topic altogether then. This isn't really going ot help me since I can't even get to that part, but it sounds like it's going to make things easier for the LDers who already have it easy. Good luck to everyone using the technique and I hope this makes it easier for you.

For everyone who doesn't experience vibrations....

I never got them either really until I tried this.

Hoever I have always got this feeling of sinking or rising. I'm assuming almost everybody gets this if they are able WILD at all. Sometimes this sinking feeling will change to a rising feeling. Vibrations are just this sinking/rising feeling switching (can't think of the proper word, sorry I'm drunk) really quickly.

If you can feel this sinking and rising feeling, just intensify it. It's hard to explain how to intensify it, but you shouldn't have to think about it. Just focus on that sensation and feel it getting faster rising, falling, rising, falling etc. and faster and faster and then direct it to your head where Aquanina said.

Good luck!