I couldn't believe that some of these people never felt vibrations when lucid dreaming. But then I remembered that I've never had a DILD or MILD, do you not feel them with those methods?
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I couldn't believe that some of these people never felt vibrations when lucid dreaming. But then I remembered that I've never had a DILD or MILD, do you not feel them with those methods?
You definitely wouldn't feel the vibrations described in this thread with a DILD, and probably not a MILD, either. With those methods, you have the lucid during the course of your normal sleep, once you're already dreaming during the night (although you could do a MILD with WBTB). The vibrations described here are during the transition from waking to sleeping, which you consciously experience during a WILD. For DILDing, you're asleep during this transition, and your consciousness "wakes up" later on, after the dream has already started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reclypso
I tried this technique last night and really liked the smoothness and subtleness of it. It worked for me but I'm going to try it again tonight (and more nights if it goes well) to fully play with it. A couple things related to this:
1. You mention focusing the energy on the frontal lobes. I was curious to see what that controlled and found a site for anyone else interested that explains what that part of the brain does: Frontal Lobe Function
2. This is a very simple technique which is why I really like it. However, this is like advanced math. For those who don't understand the chakra system or manipulating energy, this technique is difficult. Just something to take into consideration.
3. OMG create a name for this technique. Since there are DILDs, WILDs, and ... others ... go ahead, give it a name... otherwise I'm going to simply refer to it as 'Nina' from now on. "I Nina'ed last night and blah blah blah' .... do you want that? :P Actually though, Nina is four letters... it would fit right in as an acronoym, haha.
I know this is just a general WILD question, but it has been bothering me-- How long do you recommend I stay awake after waking up in the early morning before attempting a WILD?
The first time I tried to do a WILD, I woke up at around 6, stayed awake for a couple minutes just long enough to put on some binaural beats, and then successfully entered sleep paralysis after a little bit (but not a lucid dream). Is this considered a DEILD or a really quick WBTB? Because last night (or this morning, rather), I woke at around 4 and stayed up till 4:45 and COULD NOT enter SP or even fall asleep--I was too awake. Apparently staying up for 45 minutes is too long for me?
Is this just a trial-and-error thing, or is there some general rule I can follow? I really can't afford to be losing 4 hours of sleep right now..
Not sure if this is necroing, but here goes:
I read this a while ago, and being just a little oneironautling, I had neither the means nor the knowledge to put the technique into practice. However I remained interested in the idea, recently threads have been cropping up that seem to be sending out the same message, independently of each other; (COBRAS Method, this one Nina is aware of) and (3rd eye chakra technique). Also, as Mcwillis has pointed out, Michael Raduga outlines a similar technique in the form of 'brain straining' (never liked that term, sounds painful).
So whether it's the pineal gland or the dorso-lateral prefrontal cortex being stimulated, there seems to be something going on here. I haven't been successful at WILD yet, but the other night I woke myself at 4:30 a lay on my back, did a few relaxation techniques, and then, intently focused on this mysterious area of the brain. Much to my surprise within seconds there was a pretty heavy onset of pre-sleep paralysis sensations. I felt pins and needles in my limbs that spread, and intensified, to my torso; the swirling phosphenes in my vision grew more vivid, I started to hear a crackling in my right ear and a kind of tinnitus in both ears that grew in volume and pitch; after a while of this I began to fell hot rushes spreading up from my feet to my chest.
However, after some time the feelings passed and I gave up due to tiredness, in retrospect the sensations had probably subsided for a bit to come back stronger later on. I haven't ever got so close to sleep paralysis before.
Excitingly, this technique seems to work with just as much effect at bedtime, which makes me wonder whether it may be able to facilitate WILDing at any time in the day, anywhere? Like in that thread where Nina talked about almost WILDing in traffic :lol:
So it seems that not only can Nina techniqued be used to transition (among other applications ;)), it can also be used to quickly bring on hypnagogic/sleep paralysis states.
Has anyone had any further success or findings? I'd appreciate feedback :)
EDIT: It seems that Ayanizz has had similar results, that's quite exciting :D
This sounds like a great way to have a WILD. In fact, just last night I was experiencing intense vibrations. I got too tired to focus and I opened my eyes to daylight :lol:. Anyways, I'll be trying this tonight. Hopefully this works which I have no doubt it will. I will post my results tomorrow morning! :sleepmeditate2:
I was able to use this technique again a few times while DEILDing last night.
Damn, I should have tried it when I woke up from my lucid dream last night :(Quote:
Originally Posted by nina
I have tested the technique but it not introduce a lucid dream. Instead it increased my HI a ton. I think if I could've increased the vibrations then I would have been in a dream scape. I decided to give up after a hour because I would have only a hour till I wake up. However, this whole night wasn't a loss. I did have DILD. I'm not sure if the technique helped but I did go to sleep with the intention of lucid dreaming.:D
I will try this tonight and I will also try to find some transitiong techniques because that is where I get stuck everytime.
I have to agree with this increasing the chance of DILD. It's basically what that COBRAS thread is about.
Thanks for introduce a tip for SP. I want to use it when I fall into SP. I have a problem with SP, I always can move my eye, tongue and hardly move head although rest of my body are already paralysed. I expect that using this technic can solve my problem so that I can fall into full SP then have WILD eventually.:)
Very interesting advice nina. My only concern is that I generally don't experience the vibrational state.
Huh...I feel vibrations, with varying intensity. But they last only about five seconds, and then they fade away and I can open my eyes in the dream. It's not always completely clear and stable, though! Maybe once I get really confident in manipulating my transition phase I'll try this. But I'm still relatively new to the whole WILD experience.
I wouldn't have thought this is going to be that useful for you then. Nina came up with this when she got stuck in the vibrational state for extended periods, if you transition quickly you shouldn't need it.
omg! i have been having such vibrations so often now but i am not able to get into a lucid dream after it. I hope this works.. :) Thank you nina! :)
Good luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by raghav13jan
I tried this last night -- it felt like my brain was rattling around my skull, then I managed to fall asleep. Oops! Trying again tonight.