Jeff777's Free-falling WILD technique!

**AndresLD** · 05-30-2011 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by AndresLD

I will set 2 alarms tonight, that should wake me up

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I was wrong... slept through both of them :S! I will try something new tonight, like putting it inside a sock or something

**rynkrt3** · 05-31-2011 12:14 AM

So as soon as I notice illogical thoughts should I go to my back and begin deep breathing, or do I need to let the illogical thoughts run for a little while, to give my neocortex time to almost shut down.

Put simpler. Do I begin deep breathing as soon as I noticed chaos?

**quorthonafull** · 05-31-2011 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by AndresLD

I was wrong... slept through both of them :S! I will try something new tonight, like putting it inside a sock or something

Had the same problem today, but with 3. Nice tip, I'll try it.

**rynkrt3** · 05-31-2011 12:00 PM

Set 2 alarms last night, woke up this morning and they has been turned off, I have no recollection of turning them off. DAMNIT, I want to try this but can never get up with an alarm lol.

**quorthonafull** · 06-01-2011 02:34 AM

I woke up last night, but I failed anyway (I fell asleep at step 1-2). Trying another time this night.

**AndresLD** · 06-01-2011 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by quorthonafull

I woke up last night, but I failed anyway (I fell asleep at step 1-2). Trying another time this night.

About the same. Will try again tonight as well.

**quorthonafull** · 06-01-2011 03:26 PM

Round 2: Fail. Same as yesterday. I'll lay on my back next time.

**Sesquipedalian** · 06-03-2011 10:50 PM

I got pretty close the last few days. This seems to be a promising technique. I will keep trying this out, because few other methods have had much success for me.

Here's hoping!

**quorthonafull** · 06-03-2011 11:46 PM

Two fails to the list (?). But now, tha main problem is a freaking great song wandering in my head over and over, specially the epic "I like to cut the song in half" part with epic Dan Sawnö epic vocals at the epic 2:30 minutes mark.

EPIC (?)

Now seriously, trying another time tonight.

**AndresLD** · 06-04-2011 12:10 AM

I've been sleeping through my alarms, and those times when I actually wake up I go back to sleep right away because I'm so tired.
I'm wondering whether we should make a "Jeff777's Free-falling WILD technique Progress" thread to, as the same suggests, share our experiences and progress with this technique?

**rynkrt3** · 06-04-2011 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by AndresLD

I've been sleeping through my alarms, and those times when I actually wake up I go back to sleep right away because I'm so tired.
I'm wondering whether we should make a "Jeff777's Free-falling WILD technique Progress" thread to, as the same suggests, share our experiences and progress with this technique?

I think that making that thread is a great idea, as this is a great technique, I just haven't been waking up to try this.

**quorthonafull** · 06-04-2011 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by AndresLD

I was wrong... slept through both of them :S! I will try something new tonight, like putting it inside a sock or something

This actually works quite well (and is really annoying, ergo, not snooze-friendly)

**lemonDrops** · 06-04-2011 10:15 AM

i have done it again.. the main thing is to be alert enough to passively observe your state of body so that you cannot fall too deep, but in the same time let your mind freefall. Thats kind of weird. Just try and experiment on your own! But at first, get out of bed...

**quorthonafull** · 06-08-2011 04:02 AM

A couple of fails more, but related to sleep problems (I was quite tired after going to Slayer's concert).

**AndresLD** · 06-08-2011 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by lemonDrops

i have done it again.. the main thing is to be alert enough to passively observe your state of body so that you cannot fall too deep, but in the same time let your mind freefall. Thats kind of weird. Just try and experiment on your own! But at first, get out of bed...

Congrats

I've been busy lately, haven't even been writing my dreams down. As soon as I'm done with school (soon) I will be focusing more on lucid dreaming, and this technique

**MBA42** · 06-17-2011 02:13 AM

I wonder if just going through a song lyrics could induce the same effect. IE a song stuck in your head.

**ultranova** · 06-17-2011 08:10 AM

Hey, I don't know if it's because of technique or something else but I had a very long LD partially using this technique. I was just taking deep breaths and let me mind "free fall". I'll take yet to confirm it, is it because of technique, but anyway thank you! I haven't had a LD in long time and this one was amazing and I had like 80% of control over it.

**AndresLD** · 06-18-2011 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by ultranova

Hey, I don't know if it's because of technique or something else but I had a very long LD partially using this technique. I was just taking deep breaths and let me mind "free fall". I'll take yet to confirm it, is it because of technique, but anyway thank you! I haven't had a LD in long time and this one was amazing and I had like 80% of control over it.

WILDs, in my personal experience, are usually the "best quality" lucid dreams. They feel more real, I feel more lucid, more aware, and I can have greater control than I do with DILDs (:!
Congrats on the success!

**AndresLD** · 06-20-2011 07:36 PM

I had my first success with this technique this morning

! I woke up from a dream, and decided to attempt right away. I just paid attention to the chaos thoughts, and made sure to recognize the SP wave. The transition went as in any other WILD I've had before.
Thanks Jeff

**dakotahnok** · 06-20-2011 07:53 PM

So I forgot to post that I did have a WILD with this technique. It was a few nights ago. It was the quickest WULD I have ever had.

**quorthonafull** · 06-21-2011 12:23 AM

Nice job guys!

Today, after a week of pure laziness and sleep problems, I tried again and got to SP. When free-falling, I noticed the hearing shift, the vibrations and all those stuff, but then I didn't remember what to do so I screwed up the whole attepmt.

Looking forward for the next time!

**Jeff777** · 06-21-2011 05:20 PM

Good job guys!

**quorthonafull** · 06-22-2011 01:57 AM

I failed today, kinda messed up when in step 2.

Tonight is the night!

**glucose** · 06-22-2011 07:00 PM

Hey Jeff,

This is a very interesting idea. I've had a bit of luck with WILDs over the last few months (since I've been consistent with my LDing practice), but it always took so long! And though I've had a few now, besides a couple of DEILDs, they've only worked once I'd given up and tried to fall asleep. On a couple of occasions I was zoned out for ages, and suddenly I noticed the physical sensations of SP which essentially woke my mind up again and allowed me to transition nicely into a LD.

Prior to reading this tutorial, I've noticed the chaos thoughts stage on many an occasion, so I like that I'll be able to use that as a cue. I've also noticed that whenever I recognise them, they disappear almost instantly. They're usually images - I always thought of them as "memory foot prints" or something like that which I've read elsewhere in WILD guides which regard them as your mind dipping into and out of sleep quickly, indicating an imminent LD. I was wondering if you knew whether these memory footprints/illogical thoughts are one and the same? If so, I think your explanation seems more logical.

I'll try this method for a good few weeks and report back any success/road blocks.

**glucose** · 06-22-2011 07:03 PM

Acutally, one more question:

During stage 5, am I right in assuming this would be a good time to use (mindfulness) meditation techniques i.e. focusing on physical sensations/sounds, in order to keep the mind awake while the body drifts off? Or would you say it's more important to repeat some kind of mantra or do some mental maths?

Cheers!

Lucas