Cant even get to SP been trying for like a year

Hi guys,
basically i started trying LD about 18 months ago and after about 6 months of reading and daily attempts i kinda gave up.

Anyways i have had about 2-3 LD before mainly through WBTB, however i have tried WILD almost every night experimenting a differnt way each time but after all this time i decided to seek help.

I sorta just fail to even get into SP, ive lay there for over 1-2 hours before at time and still nothing. Heres what im doing.

- lay down and try and find a comfortable position
- try and relax as much as possible (not forcing eyes shut but letting them fall on there own)
- i completely ignore the thoughts rushing to my head to try stay conscious
- i try and keep completely still and not focus too much on my technique

time just goes by and nothing happens. Anyone ever had similar problems?

I occasionally doze off when trying to WILD, and I usually forget I'm sleeping on a bed.

First of all, when are you trying your WILD attempts? You shouldn't do them right when you get into bed, because you're not that relaxed; also, you're not in REM so there's nothing to form a dream. I've gotten some HI and one episode of SP without prior sleep, but I was extremely tired and the experience was very short-lived. It's best to WILD after 4-6 hours o sleep, or 4-6 hours after getting up in the morning. :)

If you are doing the attempts within these time periods, maybe try shifting the time around a bit - if you previously tried WILDing after 6 hours of sleep, try it after 4. Same goes for hours after waking up. I find that I can't get to SP if I'm awake for more than a few hours, but if I'm awake for 2 or 3, it's much easier to get an SP episode.

Also, don't focus too much on your thoughts. Just forget that they're there. This can be tricky at first because if you just passively observe your thoughts (which will start to become nonsensical and dream-like after a while) you can end up falling asleep, but it becomes easier once you try it a few times. Also, don't pay attention to your physical body. Stretching before bed helps with this, as does simply taking your mind off your body every time you start thinking of it.

Download "Episode One" of this: The Meditation Podcast - Download free podcast episodes by Jesse & Jeane Stern on iTunes. .. Make sure it says episode one (they are all free by the way). Listen to it and follow the instructions.
Breath as deeply as you can the entire time not just part of the time (while following instructions), you should now be very relaxed. Now you can do your WILD by focusing on your breathing and/or the darkness behind your eyelids (I prefer the latter). Also remember to remind yourself that you are "doing a WILD" or something similar. You may or may not get results... it depends on whether or not you are willing enough to try this out. Personally this has been the only way to get to sleep paralysis for me.

This will only be an aid in getting you closer to your goal... faster.

Remember to follow Puffin's instructions too.

I just had my first WILD and all I focused on was the back of my eyelids, and the faint colors I can pick out when looking at them. I had mine after napping a bunch in the afternoon, and didn't sleep much the night before.

Try some galantamine and choline, that will put you into sleep paralysis lol. Seriously though, it will. But if you dont want to try that, make sure you've slept for about 4 1/2 hours and do a wbtb. You've probably checked out all the threads about doing a WILD, and if not, check them out. Most of those threads are just starting points, but usually you have to find what works for you and kind of tweak those induction techniques till it fits your needs. You to find something that works for you personally because alot of induction techniques aren't going to work for everyone, but like I stated, are mostly a starting point until you figure out what works and what doesn't work for yourself. But the G&C that I told you about put me into sp many many times. Although I did get into sp myself before that when I woke for a second and I turned onto my side and went straight into sp. Check out yoshis wild technique, it's basically the same thing I just stated.

I am surprised that not more people have done the Timer Method. I have pracctised Traditional WILD for months, without any result or progress. Then I bought the Lucidology 102 just because I were so frustrated that I couldn't succeed WILD (Allthough you don't have to buy it the Timer is all you need, still a good read though). Well then in the Lucidology 102 packet I recieved a PDF file with Questions and Answers from Nicholas Newsport and a 2 hour video with him answering alot of questions, and he explained that (This I can say because it is in the Lucidology 101) Stop Drop and Roll is not designed to make you come in waking sleep paralysis that you can transition to a OBE/Lucid dream, it's just a relaxation method to make you fall asleep and then come in unconscious sleep paralysis. And the first thing new pracctioners have to do in order to become familiar with how to transition and so on is to use the Timer Method to get to waking sleep paralysis and have some experience of the feeling of the wake and asleep treshold (sleep paralysis).
Sounded to good to be true, but I tried the timer method and I woke up in Sleep paralysis!
Of course I don't allways succeed but that's either because
*I move upon awakening
*Have my eyes opened on awakening
*Get a really stong feeling to give up when it's only 1 alarm left

The Timer Method: Youtube Search: Lucidology 101 timer

Don't do all the relaxation exercises before if you don't want to (They are only designed to make you fall asleep if you can't)
Just WBTB for 5-6 hours start the alarm and the timer will do the rest.

I hope this will help you break your sleep paralysis Dry Spell, it did for me =)
And if you don't wake up in SP you wake up in the dream :D

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Originally Posted by Choi

I am surprised that not more people have done the Timer Method. I have pracctised Traditional WILD for months, without any result or progress. Then I bought the Lucidology 102 just because I were so frustrated that I couldn't succeed WILD (Allthough you don't have to buy it the Timer is all you need, still a good read though). Well then in the Lucidology 102 packet I recieved a PDF file with Questions and Answers from Nicholas Newsport and a 2 hour video with him answering alot of questions, and he explained that (This I can say because it is in the Lucidology 101) Stop Drop and Roll is not designed to make you come in waking sleep paralysis that you can transition to a OBE/Lucid dream, it's just a relaxation method to make you fall asleep and then come in unconscious sleep paralysis. And the first thing new pracctioners have to do in order to become familiar with how to transition and so on is to use the Timer Method to get to waking sleep paralysis and have some experience of the feeling of the wake and asleep treshold (sleep paralysis).
Sounded to good to be true, but I tried the timer method and I woke up in Sleep paralysis!
Of course I don't allways succeed but that's either because
*I move upon awakening
*Have my eyes opened on awakening
*Get a really stong feeling to give up when it's only 1 alarm left

The Timer Method: Youtube Search: Lucidology 101 timer

Don't do all the relaxation exercises before if you don't want to (They are only designed to make you fall asleep if you can't)
Just WBTB for 5-6 hours start the alarm and the timer will do the rest.

I hope this will help you break your sleep paralysis Dry Spell, it did for me =)
And if you don't wake up in SP you wake up in the dream :D

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That sounds like a DIELD to me.

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Originally Posted by Yosma

That sounds like a DIELD to me.

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Yeah but it's kind of like the CAN-WILD but this also make you have some spontanious DILD lucid dreams.

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Originally Posted by Yosma

That sounds like a DIELD to me.

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yea its like a can-wild. A deild is exiting one lucid or non-lucid and then going into another lucid after that. Usually staying still after u wake up and then going straight into another dream. The alarm thing is just to make it so you get into sp more easily cuz your mind will remain a little more on the conscious side because it thinks its going to get woken up soon.

WILD is difficult to accomplish. I attempted it this morning after sleeping for a little while. I attempted it for about 40 minutes or so. My limbs almost felt like they were falling asleep, but I never made it beyond that point. The only time I seem to succeed in a WILD is if I do it as soon as I wake up. I have to keep super relaxed and tired... the last WILD I did took just about 2 minutes easy to enter the dream, but that was a long time ago.

I'm trying to get into it more, trying to get it down aswell, but it's difficult. I'm trying various tutorials each night aswell. I think tomorrow I'm going to try just a regular WBTB, and then maybe incorporate a WILD into it while trying to fall asleep.