Unintentional WILD (some questions)

I am now trying to learn how to WILD for months and I probably read nearly every guide in this site, tried staying still or to move normally, to visualize or to count, to fall asleep mostly normally or to WILD very intentionally. Never got to SP, no vibrations, no sounds and barely any hypnagogia. Nothing I did intentionally got me really far so there was a point where I started to really wonder what else I could do.

That is until yesterday, something interesting happened. I was sorta very tired and listened to someone on the telephone for a few minutes straight without answering. Obviously I tried to stay awake, but then at some point I started to drift away and suddenly started to play a round of Team Fortress 2 in my head, and it very rapidly became realistic and gained a vividness I never could reproduce in my intentional visualization attempts. As much as I know to try and let the dream fill in the details, it is really hard to get to that point for me, but this time absolutely everything jost popped up by itself. If I would've just allowed myself to slip over at that point I think I really could have VILDed quite easily, just well it would be pretty rude to do that while someone is telling you something important, so I cancelled it :?

To me it seems like there is a WILDing technique out there to which I haven't seen a guide yet and it's in some way a form of VILD. I might make experiments with getting really tired, then lying down and doing the exact opposite of what's recommended, trying to stay awake for as long as possible, without trying to do anything specific, possibly just listen to outside sounds. If my theory about what happened is right, than I will soon reach a point where I start "dreaming internally", and every small spark could make this dream manifest right before me, giving me the opportunity to step in without trying to WILD intentionally at all.
If that works I will likely make a guide for it.

Now to my questions, do you have experiences with something similar? Maybe is there already an guide to a technique like this which I just didn't found yet?

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Originally Posted by StaySharp

I am now trying to learn how to WILD for months and I probably read nearly every guide in this site, tried staying still or to move normally, to visualize or to count, to fall asleep mostly normally or to WILD very intentionally. Never got to SP, no vibrations, no sounds and barely any hypnagogia. Nothing I did intentionally got me really far so there was a point where I started to really wonder what else I could do.

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Unfortunately, your experience on the phone was not a WILD. It sounds more like an example of the "tetris effect", which is a type of mild hallucination where a recently played video game will replay itself in front of your eyes. The effect can last for several hours after playing the game and it's especially potent if you're tired. It's perfectly normal, but not related to lucid dreaming.

Tetris effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (wiki is actually not as helpful as I would have liked, but you should read it anyway)

The other reason I know it's not a WILD is that you were holding a phone. To WILD you must fall asleep, and it's difficult to imagine someone falling asleep on the phone. A microsleep maybe, but microsleeps don't have REM anyway. So if you want to seriously WILD, you need to read a guide. There are correct and incorrect ideas about how to WILD. Mzzkc's guides are correct as far as anyone knows. Billybob's guide seemed good as well. Read, understand, practice.

What you did experience may have been the Tetris effect, as cmind suggests. But you are not wrong in thinking that you can use visualization in your WILDing attempts. I use it in place of normal relaxation techniques fairly successfully. Maybe pm me if you have specific questions? It is far from a sanctified technique and I never created a guide for the way I do it. So it is fairly personalized.

Good luck!

That's an interesting thing but actually I am very sure that what I experienced is not the tetris effect. For several reasons, like me never having experienced something like that except for sounds. Also I can literally spend hundreds of hours on one thing and it still won't appear anywhere, neither when I sleep (dream) nor when I'm awake, nor anywhere between. Except for sounds as said and that is quite a different thing. Also I haven't had to do with TF2 long enough to consider that to be possible. And I know that it wasn't a WILD, what I meant is that it could have easily be used to get there. Because what happened is exactly what one should let happen upon VILDing, giving a rough direction and letting everything else fill in on it's own. It's not like a part of it popped up I was emerged completely in the game within split seconds, except for the mising sound it was an scaringly realistical replica. And that's why I consider it possible to use it for WILDing, because it brings me to a desired point of visualization I couldn't achieve intentionally.