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I ussally just wake up in the middle of the nite in SP and roll out of my body for an OBE. the other nite i told myself when rolling over that instead of coming out of body i wanted a Lucid but then just woke up completly. How can i get a lucid from this point? Instead of rolling over am i suppose to just visualize a dream?
When you're rolling over, I think that you are actually entering a dream but not realizing it. I don't believe that there is any difference between an OBE or an LD. If you think that there are differences, I'd be glad to hear what they are, but first I would advise seeing if you can't do what you describe in what you believe is an OBE. When you're rolling out, you may think that because you are beside your bed you aren't lucid, but you may really be in a dream.
This is just my opinion; I could be way wrong, but nevertheless it's what I think.
Obe/astral projection is somthing I've done quite a bit and it's not a LD. But not wanting to get into that just looking for pointers on entering a dream from sp
When you roll out of your body you are in a lucid dream. If you believe this is an OBE that's fine, but what you are experiencing is exactly what people experience when they perform a WILD. If you want to roll out into a lucid dream all you have to do is believe you are entering a dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad7769
I'd like to know how to do an OBE it sounds way cool.
From what I hear, instead of stepping out of your body at the point of sleep paralysis, you are supposed to continue to lie down and wait for the transition. it will occur naturally - all you have to do is stay aware enough to reach that point.
This is how i do it i wake up but stay very still then roll over as hard as i can but without moving. I get a very strong sensation as im separating and also hear loud white noises.Quote:
Originally Posted by DynoTAP
and why i say its not a dream because everything in my room/house/outside is in the same place and it allways starts the same way me floating above my bed. then you can choose to explore this plain are goto the astral or beyond. But like i sed the other nite i was rolling out but told myself to go into a dream but it didnt happen i just completly woke up. I no everyone has an opinion on this and i have had a few lucids before and they are nothing like this not even close.
When I get to the point from which I can either project or enter an LD, I push my head down (not physicly, just thinking about it) and enter a 'headrush' - the feeling of acceleration, flying at incredible speed head first. At the end I usually wake up in a lucid dream.
Or, wait for images and movies to start behind my closed eyelids, pick a spot in the 'movie' and say slowly and deliberatly I am there. Then I'm transported into that dream.
I would be interested in your method of getting to the point of separation.
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It's kinda funny I must of tried for 6 or 7 months to have an OBE all different types of methods and meditations at all different hours of the nite. I finnally got frustrated and stop trying just gonna take a little break. Then one nite i just wake up an instantly try and roll hard to the left but with out moving I feel this like headrush you are talking about and like i sed in an earlier post I hear a loud white noise like static and then pop out. the process only take a few seconds after waking up to come out. Someone told me that i was trying so hard for so long ive becam a natural and i can do this any nite that i want to now.
The main difference between an OBE and a lucid dream is the exit method. In an OBE, you feel yourself separate from your body. In a WILD, you can exit through a dream. If your attention is centered around your body, your bed, your room, you will most likely have an OBE type exit. If your attention is focused on an imagined scene, created either willfully or from hypnagogic imagery, your attention will just switch to the imagined/dream scene.
What are you looking to experience in a lucid dream that you think will be different from your OBEs? (The current consensus is that they are the same thing).
Didn't roll over hard enough will try again now. I was blind so i forced my sight to work. It didn't really work but i could now sense that I was now standing on my bed. Perhaps I did something wrong... Was I supposed to wait for sleep paralysis to settle in entirely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad7769