Question about hypnagogia.

Well, last night as I was drifting off to sleep I began hallucinating. I don't really know what to call it, but it's like I was dreaming yet still aware (not lucid). It was as if I was able to observe the 'hallucination' or 'dream' as it was happening. I've read a lot about hypnagogia and what I experienced doesn't seem to fit the definition, because it was not just lines and other shapes but it was an actual scene with people and interaction. I know I wasn't dreaming yet, because I was still aware and alert that I was awake and still drifting off into sleep. I'm positive it wasn't lucid, but I do believe that if I were to stay alert throught that experience that I would've been able to directly enter a lucid dream. Any discussion or answers would be greatly appreciated.

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Originally Posted by TuroAzai

Well, last night as I was drifting off to sleep I began hallucinating. I don't really know what to call it, but it's like I was dreaming yet still aware (not lucid). It was as if I was able to observe the 'hallucination' or 'dream' as it was happening. I've read a lot about hypnagogia and what I experienced doesn't seem to fit the definition, because it was not just lines and other shapes but it was an actual scene with people and interaction. I know I wasn't dreaming yet, because I was still aware and alert that I was awake and still drifting off into sleep. I'm positive it wasn't lucid, but I do believe that if I were to stay alert throught that experience that I would've been able to directly enter a lucid dream. Any discussion or answers would be greatly appreciated.

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Well, here it goes.

1. The definition of WILD is to be aware while dreaming. So you may think you not asleep yet, but you just may be asleep already and dreaming.

2. One of the mistakes is to expect same thing happening during your WILD what you read about others experiences, or even what happened to you last time.

3. Visual HH can be geometric shapes or different random pictures, lights, blobs of color or just grey... at the beginning. Later, these may evolve into images, photographs and movies. The movies (dreamlets) are already dreams that are ready for you to enter.

4. Depending on how evolved were the scenes you are describing, they could have been HH, or already a dream. If HH, then yes, waiting just a few more moments while keeping your awereness would have lead you to a dream.

If it was a dream already, all you needed to do is realize it and enter it. You can find your own way of entering it, but this is how I do it:

1. When I see a dreamscape in front of me, I pick a spot in it and transfer my awareness inside by saying slowly and deliberately "I... am... there" while looking at the spot.

2. When I realize the dream has formed, I stand up from my sofa, or roll out. When I do this, only my dream body stands up and at that moment the feeling that I'm in a dream becomes even stronger.

For me, it was hard to remember what to do when I see the dream already formed. Because as you say, you were sure you are not dreaming/asleep yet. I took it as normal to see strange places, or even my room with closed eyes. So when WILDing, I adopted a mantra "when I see my room, I get up" which I later shortened to "when I see, I get up".

Detailed WILD (sageous)
http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ntry-wild.html

*Moved to WILD

you almost dreamed yes

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Well, last night as I was drifting off to sleep I began hallucinating.

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to fully enter dream requires REM. which will rarely happen as you first drift of to sleep

Hi Gab,

I love the way you explained this. HI seems to be so different depending on the individual. For a moment, I wasn't sure what HI looked like, as I realized my HI may have already been dreams that I have missed my opportunity. Another issue for me was how or when to enter. I know many people have given examples on how to enter the dream, but I believe I have been trying to enter a dream during HI, which I am understanding means that the dream is not strong enough yet. Thanks for a great explanation! :thanks:

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Originally Posted by Blackfox

you almost dreamed yes



to fully enter dream requires REM. which will rarely happen as you first drift of to sleep

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you don't necessarily need Rem to dream or enter one.

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Originally Posted by gab

Well, here it goes.

1. The definition of WILD is to be aware while dreaming. So you may think you not asleep yet, but you just may be asleep already and dreaming.

2. One of the mistakes is to expect same thing happening during your WILD what you read about others experiences, or even what happened to you last time.

3. Visual HH can be geometric shapes or different random pictures, lights, blobs of color or just grey... at the beginning. Later, these may evolve into images, photographs and movies. The movies (dreamlets) are already dreams that are ready for you to enter.

4. Depending on how evolved were the scenes you are describing, they could have been HH, or already a dream. If HH, then yes, waiting just a few more moments while keeping your awereness would have lead you to a dream.

If it was a dream already, all you needed to do is realize it and enter it. You can find your own way of entering it, but this is how I do it:

1. When I see a dreamscape in front of me, I pick a spot in it and transfer my awareness inside by saying slowly and deliberately "I... am... there" while looking at the spot.

2. When I realize the dream has formed, I stand up from my sofa, or roll out. When I do this, only my dream body stands up and at that moment the feeling that I'm in a dream becomes even stronger.

For me, it was hard to remember what to do when I see the dream already formed. Because as you say, you were sure you are not dreaming/asleep yet. I took it as normal to see strange places, or even my room with closed eyes. So when WILDing, I adopted a mantra "when I see my room, I get up" which I later shortened to "when I see, I get up".

Detailed WILD (sageous)
http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ntry-wild.html

*Moved to WILD

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you don't necessarily have to be a sleep to dream. It is quite possible to dream while being biologically awake.