First WILD! A word on intention...

So I had my first WILD ever last week!

The sun was starting to rise so I went in and out of dreaming for a while.

I suddenly had an insight, to tell myself "I am here" during the emerging dreams.

And then I saw a dream begin, I was looking at concrete with sumerian cuniform etched.

I squated down to get a closer look and the script vanished.

I realized I had just walked, WILD'd, into a dream.

My first thought was "OMG! I'm dreaming!"

I think I actually said this "out loud"

And then I looked at my hands and then marvelled at the dream scene.

My heart starting beating fast and I wondered "What if I don't wake up?"

I was in my friend's childhood house, and he was sleeping in the living room.

It just so happens I was visiting this friend last week.

He had just left to work before this WILD.

So I asked his dream self "I thought you went to work?"

I suppose I lost lucidity somewhere around here.

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So that's that, but I want to say, the intention of how I approached the WILD was different then I ever have.

Before, I would be trying to "reach" lucidity.

While in the above instance I claimed lucidity as already present.

So I suppose this was actually a DEILD - Dream Exit Initiated Lucid Dream. Though the whole point of me posting this thread is to share the insight I had. Which was... not trying to reach lucidity as if it were something far, distant. But to assume it's already the way things are. It's a simple trick, I hope it works for me again soon.

Actually, Dave, DEILD is a form of WILD, since the transition -- from wake to sleep to dream without losing waking-life self-awareness -- for both is the same. DEILD is simply a WILD without all the bells and whistles of "classic" WILD. So your original conclusion was not wrong!

That insight, "...not trying to reach lucidity as if it were something far, distant. But to assume it's already the way things are," is an excellent one, BTW, and a great way to approach a WILD/DEILD dive. In fact, it is what you ought to be thinking during a WILD (or DILD, for that matter), because it is much better to think about your mindset in present tense, rather than future tense, lest that future tense remain on your mind, and your LD remains always in the future.

I have a feeling this stance will work for you again!

Wow thanks!

It truly is like a "dive"!

I had assumed for years that there was some kind of boundary to cross over where for a moment or two I'd be "unsconsious" or not aware of myself somehow.

But the truth is that it was instantaneous in manifesting from awake in bed to immersed in a dream scene!

The experience was so powerfully wild, that for half the day, I was in reflection of the lucid dream :)

Congrats!

Sometimes there's a boundary, sometimes there isn't. Sometimes you come through completely whole, sometimes you lose most of yourself and can't remember your own name. It varies.

But yeah it totally changes your perspective for the rest of the day. Even after having experienced probably a couple of hundred lucids, I still have a very noticeable 'afterglow' each time I manage it. It's a wonderful feeling.

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Originally Posted by cmind

Congrats!

Sometimes there's a boundary, sometimes there isn't. Sometimes you come through completely whole, sometimes you lose most of yourself and can't remember your own name. It varies.

But yeah it totally changes your perspective for the rest of the day. Even after having experienced probably a couple of hundred lucids, I still have a very noticeable 'afterglow' each time I manage it. It's a wonderful feeling.

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By boundary I was meaning something like a break in consciousness from wake to dream, as in, a "future". Like how when one procrastinates and says "tomorrow". Well tomorrow doesn't actually ever come, it's always "today". Does this make sense? You seem to be saying that there is a gateway where sometimes you forget yourself while crossing. Is this different than the philosophical and psychological idea of "I'll be lucid in the future" (whenever that "future" comes)?

And that's great that you still have an afterglow! I remember reading on here some time ago that some people were getting bored at lucid dreaming, having mastered the art, and doing everything they could think of while lucid. How do you feel about this, do you get bored with it?

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Originally Posted by DreamDudeDave

By boundary I was meaning something like a break in consciousness from wake to dream, as in, a "future". Like how when one procrastinates and says "tomorrow". Well tomorrow doesn't actually ever come, it's always "today". Does this make sense? You seem to be saying that there is a gateway where sometimes you forget yourself while crossing. Is this different than the philosophical and psychological idea of "I'll be lucid in the future" (whenever that "future" comes)?

And that's great that you still have an afterglow! I remember reading on here some time ago that some people were getting bored at lucid dreaming, having mastered the art, and doing everything they could think of while lucid. How do you feel about this, do you get bored with it?

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I'm not quite sure what you mean by "future". What I meant was that you do sometimes have a momentary lapse of consciousness, and when you regain consciousness (in the dream) you might not have full access to your memories. The same thing happens with DILD, but in WILD the exact moment it happens is easier to pinpoint.

As for getting bored, yes I do get bored sometimes. But then if I go a few weeks or months without WILDing, I start to want to get back into it. I've been doing this on and off for 7 years now, and I've always gone back to it.

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Originally Posted by cmind

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "future". What I meant was that you do sometimes have a momentary lapse of consciousness, and when you regain consciousness (in the dream) you might not have full access to your memories. The same thing happens with DILD, but in WILD the exact moment it happens is easier to pinpoint.

As for getting bored, yes I do get bored sometimes. But then if I go a few weeks or months without WILDing, I start to want to get back into it. I've been doing this on and off for 7 years now, and I've always gone back to it.

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What I'm meaning by reaching a "future", is simply how procrastinators put things off until "tomorrow", and tomorrow doesn't ever come because it's always "today" and that means putting things off more to a future that doesn't happen. The subtle difference is that I was always trying to WILD into a future, instead of assuming Lucidity happening "in the moment", something that was being experienced VS something that was "going to be" experienced, later on. That's all I was meaning with "A word of inention..." as part of the topic. I was wanting to shed light on the insight I had that early morning where I wasn't "going to reach" lucidity "later"...but instead it just clicked "I'm lucid through WILDing right NOW" and then took the dive into the dream.

That's great that you have so much experience! I'm going to check out the WILD guide in your sig. Thanks for seeking to understand what I'm communicating, which the message probably is obvious to yourself, hopefully it's making sense what I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by DreamDudeDave

What I'm meaning by reaching a "future", is simply how procrastinators put things off until "tomorrow", and tomorrow doesn't ever come because it's always "today" and that means putting things off more to a future that doesn't happen. The subtle difference is that I was always trying to WILD into a future, instead of assuming Lucidity happening "in the moment", something that was being experienced VS something that was "going to be" experienced, later on. That's all I was meaning with "A word of inention..." as part of the topic. I was wanting to shed light on the insight I had that early morning where I wasn't "going to reach" lucidity "later"...but instead it just clicked "I'm lucid through WILDing right NOW" and then took the dive into the dream.

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Oh, I see. Yes, agreed completely. Kinda similar to what Yoda says, "Do or do not. There is no try."

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Originally Posted by cmind

Oh, I see. Yes, agreed completely. Kinda similar to what Yoda says, "Do or do not. There is no try."

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Yes, exactly! While I do not proclaim to be a Jedi Master at WILDing, I think my insight was important enough to share, it certainly made the defining difference for my own experience, and I just had 2 more LDs in the early hours of this morning.