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Hello, still trying to get my first lucid dream and was wondering what the best WILD method would be and how I would do it. Should I be focusing on visualization, breathing, something else, or everything. Basically I'm just looking for a good method that would be easy for me to learn. Thanks.
In the end, most techniques for achieving WILD's are very similar. You might start by checking out DV's WILD tutorial, or, if you're more ambitious, you might try my DVA WILD class.
Good luck, and welcome to DreamViews!
The rope technique has been effective for me.
1. Do Wbtb
2. Lay on back
3. Start with affirmations like "I will have a lucid dream" etc.
3. Imagine a rope or latter right above your body.
4. Using both your tactile and visual imagination, feel and see your imagined hands grabbing and pulling yourself upward. If you feel a pulsing, vibration, or pulling effect on your body you are doing it correctly.
When laying down doing whichever method you choose, be sure not to move your body at all, this will stop you from falling asleep quickly.
Will look at the tutorial, thanks for the links.
For the rope technique do I need to do anything other than those 4 steps such as relaxation or do I just follow those steps and not add anything else?
I strongly suggest you follow sageous's advice and read through the links he posted. Although WILDing is simple and there are only few steps, every step is complex with regards to state of mind one is in during attempt. Also there is much of daytime work and practice involved. It's not simply laying down and waiting for it to happen. There are a few misconceptions, such as don't move at all, don't swallow or scratch... All this is explained in the mentioned tutorials.Quote:
Originally Posted by CK246
You can add in meditation or progressive relaxation methods if you feel it is necessary, that is a personal choice, I have found both helpful.
I have always found meditation to be advantageous before WILD attempts. One must reach a certain degree of adequacy in meditation for it to be a strong factor, I mean many hours of practice over a period of time, but it does help even the beginner somewhat. The better you get at it overall, the stronger it will effect your chance of having a lucid dream, both when done before a WILD attempt (by virtue of the unique chemical and electrical patterns it induces) and in the long term, due to the long term neural renovations that occur as a result of meditation.
Gab it seems says that moving while making a attempt will not have much effect, I personally have not found this to be true. When I am getting close to the vibrational state, if I move it will mess it up immediately. I have lost many good WILDs as a result of a scratching a itch or accidentally moving too much.
...And struggling to hold still or, say, to keep from scratching a persistent itch or swallowing, can be just as damaging to a WILD attempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valis1
This is because that struggle might consume your attention, to the point where you lose complete track of your descent into sleep and either abandon the WILD or wake up fully ... just to move, itch, or swallow. Yes, holding still is a good idea and the right stance to take, but perfect stillness is not utterly required; if you must shift your position a bit, scratch an itch, swallow, etc. in order to stay focused on your WILD, then it is okay to do those things (especially swallowing; I have no idea where it became required that you shouldn't do something as unobtrusive and automatic as swallowing).
In a sense, the "stillness" you are maintaining in a WILD is as much in your mind as in your body, and struggling to ignore itches, etc, can roil the stillness in your mind more than moving a finger to scratch would roil the stillness of your body. In other words, thinking about not moving, scratching, or swallowing can do more harm than just moving, scratching, or itching with as little movement or thought as possible. Getting the issue behind you as quietly as possible is much better, I think, than allowing it to remain front and center while you fight to ignore it.
tl;dr: Successful WILD's are all about balance. Focusing too heavily on things you think you shouldn't be moving can be just as unbalancing as moving too much. Find a median where you are holding as still as possible while you also are able to hold your attention on your WILD dive by dealing with small physical distractions before they become huge WILD-ending distractions.
Yes ofc, moving as little as possible is the best. Just as when we are falling asleep normally, it takes longer when we fidget. But even when we are comfortable and falling asleep fast, we still swallow, scratch an itch or move a hand that was maybe in uncomfortable position. The only difference is that at this time we don't even notice, because we don't care. So WILDing should be approached the same way. We should not even notice a small itch or that we scratch, or when we swallow. And when we know that we can do all these things, I found that itches don't even come, because they know I can dispose of them quicly without them bothering me.
Moving this to WILD subforum
Can I sleep on one of my sides or stomach too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Valis1
Interesting question Reinards.
I have always done it on my back, but I think you could easily change things around a little to make the visualisation work while you lay on your side.
In dream yoga they suggest if you are male, sleeping on your right side with your hand under your cheek. This is reversed if you are female.
I would not suggest attempting WILDing trying to sleep on your stomach, it impedes breathing, puts pressure on various parts of the body, for those reasons I think trying to WILD in that position would be detrimental.
Alright :)
Thanks for all the help guys. I wish I would have checked this thread yesterday.
This will help me a lot. I've always done any attempts on my stomach because I found it most comfortable but I guess that was the wrong thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valis1