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When trying WILD, I can never get to sleep paralysis, even hypnagogia.. I have tried it in the morning and night... also in two poses(on my back and stomach kind of pose)... What can you suggest? ;-)
Also, I have tried it more than 4 times(It is not much, but I had to experience something)
4 times isn't enough. Keep going. The position isn't really important so long as you are able to fall asleep. WILD is such a complicated thing that it's hard to give specific suggestions. With WILD a person either never gets to sleep, or they fall asleep too fast. You have to find a balance.
Could be several things
It may be a lack of mental relaxation. Try some meditation before the attempt.
The amino acid L-theanine is very relaxing and increases focus, this could help.
It could be a problem with physical relaxation. Try working out more during the day, some light stretching, or a magnesium supplement.
It could be the method. I have had the best results with the more tactile methods like the rope or latter technique.But it is a matter of trial and error to see what works best for you personally.
I meditate in the evening, and stretch too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Valis1
So you suggest that I meditate right before my WILD?
Yes I am. Meditation produces unique chemical and electrical patterns which are beneficial to WILDing.
Thank you, I'll try...
Also, can you share your routine when doing WILD? :)
The few times I've done WILD they were never actually intentional. What happened was that I'd be laying down and suddenly become aware of myself. Like I would wake up during the transition from waking to dream and I would feel the vibrations. They went from my feet to my head and afterwards it was just a simple matter of getting out of bed and starting my dream. This is the part that people overlook when it comes to WILD. You have to fall asleep. If you're concentrating too hard and looking for images and stuff chances are you're never going to fall asleep.
First, trying WILD 4 times is not much indeed -- in WILD terms you've barely begun -- and you might still have more than a few tries in your future that will pass without your experiencing something. Give yourself more time, and use your early attempts to refine your mindset and techniques (while, of course, always expecting to succeed).Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinards
In spite of what you've read on the forums, there is no need, whatsoever, to "get to" sleep paralysis (SP) or even to experience hypnagogic imagery (HI) during WILD. To make either a goal of your WILD attempts is not a very good idea, I think.
For one thing, actual SP doesn't even happen during a WILD: When SP rarely occurs, it does so upon waking up, and not when falling asleep. What so many WILD instructors erroneously term SP is probably nothing more than deep relaxation or perhaps the onset of REM Atonia (which is a good thing, because if you are in REM Atonia you are not only asleep, but already in REM). This error, often made breathlessly or with the assumption that SP is required for WILD, is, I believe, the single element that has turned a relatively simple (if not always easy) process into a very difficult one, especially in terms of expectations and distractions.
"SP" (as termed on the tutorials) and HI are simply so much noise that you might experience on your way to your dream during WILD; it is noise that happens whenever you fall asleep, except that during WILD you happen to be there to consciously witness it. They really aren't important, and certainly are not things you fell you should "get to" in order for your WILD to be successful: thinking this may cause you to give up your attempt before you finally fall asleep, even if you were actually on the brink of a WILD that was about to occur without "SP" or HI.
If you do happen to experience HI, or feel yourself in a deep state of relaxation (or feel vibrations, numbness, or any of the other "requirements" that so many tutorials insist matter), try to do nothing more than take passing notice of them as indicators that your dream is right around the corner. If you do more, perhaps make them important, you will only be pushing your dream further away.
I know it's anecdotal, but I personally have completed thousands of WILD's without even a hint of noise...in fact, I didn't even know "SP" or HI were an issue until just a few years ago when discussion of them became popular on forums like these. They really are far more popular than necessary.
So: Go ahead and use noise as signposts indicating your progress toward your dream, but do so only if they happen. Try not to look for the noise, as that amounts to nothing more than a distraction that makes your WILD attempt much more difficult. Instead, look toward your dream, because that is all that really matters. And, of course, give yourself a chance: 4 attempts at WILD is barely a beginning, and it really is not time yet to feel like things aren't working.
If you're curious, I go into a bit more detail on this stuff in my DVA WILD class; you might want to consider taking it!
Wow, this made me think... All I have read tells me to do stuff that you say not to do :D I was not getting the idea of WILD. I thought that I have to lie on my back and wait for the dream to come... but I actually had to fall asleep XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
So is this okay:
I go to sleep at 23.30
I wake up at 6.00
I meditate for 10 minutes
I relax my muscles by flexing and releasing
Next?
Now I wait or try to fall asleep?
^^ You wait and fall asleep, Reinards...
Your listed routine seems fine (though your WBTB seems a bit short), but keep in mind that there is more to WILD than just holding still and going to sleep. As I mentioned above, I suggest that you look at my DVA WILD class, or, if you want to start with something less involved, try DV's official WILD tutorial, as they go into more detail about what's "next;" what to do and expect for successful WILD's.
Thanks, I will read them and try tonight... I will report my try tomorrowQuote:
Originally Posted by Sageous
God bless you!
I finally got something to experience :0
I went to sleep at 23.30 and set my alarm to 6.20.
i woke up after a dream at 5.20 or so, i wrote down keywords and went to sleep for an hour...
at 6.20 I wrote down my dream(A little bit faded) and then meditated.
Then I was sleeping on my right side, no moving...
I tried to forget about my body. I was counting from 1-100 on every breath-out
When reaching 100 i was quite sleepy, but counted again...
After 20 my mind was really foggy and I couldn't really count.
Then I focused on one of the thoughts I had and BOOM... the feeling was if I were in a video game and I changed a scene. There was also a weird noise.
Then I was suddenly in my bed, vibrating like crazy :D
I started floating around my room and then was in a dream... I think I lost my consciousness :D
And then after a weird, short Non lucid dream i woke up very excited :)
It was so cool. I think it was good for the first time :P
Can you tell me, how can I keep my consciousness? Saying : "I am dreaming, I am dreaming?"
^^ Seriously, Reinards, if you check out the WILD tutorial or my WILD class, you'll get answers to your questions.
For instance, I have a session about mantras, which gives a better answer to this specific question than I (for one) have time to give you here... Now that I think of it, though, the question of maintaining consciousness, or waking-life-self-awareness goes beyond just mantras and into general mindset, timing, etc., all of which are covered in the class.
I hope you will look them over, and wish you luck and more progress regardless!
But how can I access your class?If I click the link you gave me, I can only see one post that is made by you :/
Edit: I found it, gonna read em all :D
This was asked some time ago but here is the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinards
1. Sleep
2. wake up after 5 hours using a alarm
3. 30 minutes of Zazen
4. 10 minutes of internal energy work
5. lay down
6. Imagine Ball floating around room
7. Do rope method, and similar tactile/visual methods until induction