Thread: Yoshi's WILD Technique...

Well the idea is to be awake long enough, so you don't crash out and lose consciousness. At the same time, you don't want to be awake too long and find that you aren't able to fall back to sleep. The time is different for everyone and you should probably just experiment with it a bit. How long had you been staying awake before?

Is there any way you can do this without the hallucinations or should I stick with dild?

Originally Posted by KingYoshi

Well the idea is to be awake long enough, so you don't crash out and lose consciousness. At the same time, you don't want to be awake too long and find that you aren't able to fall back to sleep. The time is different for everyone and you should probably just experiment with it a bit. How long had you been staying awake before?

Very short, like only 1 minute or so...

Originally Posted by Fedor

Is there any way you can do this without the hallucinations or should I stick with dild?

Eh, there isn't really a way to prevent the hallucinations. They just come on naturally. You could try to DEILD. Most of the time, there are little to no hallucinations with it.

Originally Posted by WDr

Very short, like only 1 minute or so...

Try 5 minutes next time and if you are still crashing out, up the minutes a bit from there. Just experiment with it and find out what works best for you.

I'm sorry you have probably had to explain this a bunch, but could you tell me what the reverse blinking method is, or post a link to where I can find it?

Oh and btw I love your tutorials!

Ah, no problem at all and thanks for the compliments . I need to edit the technique into my original post I think .

Reverse blinking is laying down with your eyes closed and relaxed. Every few moments you quickly, but calmly flick/blink your eyes open and closed again. Make sure you are forcing/slamming your eyelids open and closed. Try to mimic a normal blink as much as possible. Soon your eyelids will begin to get super heavy and the only way to blink them will be to force them open and closed. Once you get to this point, just stop and keep them closed.

what is the importance of the time of day? why does naptime work better than bedtime?

As your sleep cycle progresses throughout the night, the REM periods get longer and closer together. Once you wake up, your body has gotten used to that sleep cycle throughout the night and can easily fall right back into it early on in the day. This is why people often feel tired in waves throughout the morning (if you didn't get a full nights sleep). The longer the day draws out, the more used to being awake and the more awake your body/mind becomes. At bed time, the sleep cycle is lost and forgotten, so to speak. You have to fall asleep and allow it to slowly get back in rhythm again.

Great man that makes sense ha ha I will have to try it when the semester ends and I can actually spend time trying to ld! Thanks for explaining it for me!

Thank you KingYoshi! In my many years of trying to WILD and thinking it was just impossible for me or somethin people were lying about I have finally WILDED. Not once but TWICE!
THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have a question or 2 if you don't mind. I tried wilding twice today, you know stormy/rainy day. Anyhow I am not sure if i am making it into SP, i feel my whole body numb and heavy, even my chin and lips. I had a fan blowing on my arm, and at one time it felt like it narrowed to just a certain part of my arm with more pressure, a heat sensation on my back, and other small stuff like that, but not very much imagery at all. I see some patterns and stuff, but in terms of colors its always dark colors, whites/greys/blacks/dark blues/dark greens.. etc. I also get that feeling that i am falling asleep but snap back into.. reality i guess you can say. But i did feel that wave sensation this time, not once but twice. So I guess my question is am i making it into SP do you think, and if so any hints tips on how to make it to the LD? I laid still for about 45 mins total this time with a few swallows here and there, my biggest problem. Thanks

Originally Posted by bren

I have a question or if you don't mind. I tried wilding twice today, you know stormy/rainy day hehe. Anyhow I am not sure if i am making it into SP, i feel my whole body numb and heavy, even my chin and lips [.................................] I laid still for about 45 mins total this time with a few swallows here and there, my biggest problem. Thanks

This is exactly what happened to me this morning and I have the same question, help please!! Also.......I tried your "staring into the darkness and passively watch" technique Yoshi....hmm...I don't know if I am doing it wrong but what happens to me is that when I am simply staring into the darkness behind my eyelids...the imagery tends to not be there and there is literally just....blackness.....and it feels like as if I'm just laying there and nothing more...I still hear my fan next to me clearly (it's my white noise...i need it to sleep ) and everything around me............now, as soon as I start forgetting about just "staring", I start sorta...dreaming...but once I realize what is happening WHAM! I go back into this darkness...and the cycle begins anew...sigh....... save me from this dilemma!...plz ^^

I'mn going to go try to wild right now (A mid day nap/wild). I hear this is a good time to WILD. Hope it works.

Also, as a question. Do I try wild immediately at the beginning of the nap, or do I get some sleep then WILD?

Originally Posted by techdeck1

Thank you KingYoshi! In my many years of trying to WILD and thinking it was just impossible for me or somethin people were lying about I have finally WILDED. Not once but TWICE!
THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Awesome! Congrats on your success and I'm sure that is just the first two of many to come.

Originally Posted by bren

I have a question or 2 if you don't mind. I tried wilding twice today, you know stormy/rainy day. Anyhow I am not sure if i am making it into SP, i feel my whole body numb and heavy, even my chin and lips. I had a fan blowing on my arm, and at one time it felt like it narrowed to just a certain part of my arm with more pressure, a heat sensation on my back, and other small stuff like that, but not very much imagery at all. I see some patterns and stuff, but in terms of colors its always dark colors, whites/greys/blacks/dark blues/dark greens.. etc. I also get that feeling that i am falling asleep but snap back into.. reality i guess you can say. But i did feel that wave sensation this time, not once but twice. So I guess my question is am i making it into SP do you think, and if so any hints tips on how to make it to the LD? I laid still for about 45 mins total this time with a few swallows here and there, my biggest problem. Thanks

Yeah, those are the beginning/early stages of SP. Basically, you just need to continue falling asleep at this point. Stay calm, relaxed and just try to fall asleep. Casually observe any hallucinations you get as you strive toward sleep. You are showing progress just keep practicing and try to get a little closer each time out. You say you get the feeling you are falling asleep, that is good. Try not to snap back into it at all. Just allow yourself to fall asleep and just observe that process. That is all WILDing really is. Falling asleep while observing/experiencing the process. Don't even worry about the swallows. Just swallow and act as if you never did. Don't worry or even think about it.

Originally Posted by DreamStorms

This is exactly what happened to me this morning and I have the same question, help please!! Also.......I tried your "staring into the darkness and passively watch" technique Yoshi....hmm...I don't know if I am doing it wrong but what happens to me is that when I am simply staring into the darkness behind my eyelids...the imagery tends to not be there and there is literally just....blackness.....and it feels like as if I'm just laying there and nothing more...I still hear my fan next to me clearly (it's my white noise...i need it to sleep ) and everything around me............now, as soon as I start forgetting about just "staring", I start sorta...dreaming...but once I realize what is happening WHAM! I go back into this darkness...and the cycle begins anew...sigh....... save me from this dilemma!...plz ^^

Ah, well observing the darkness may not be ideal for you. Just use your fan noise as your anchor. Go ahead and let your mind wonder or do whatever you do to get the imagery started. Then just let the imagery play out without bringing full attention to it. Just let the random images dance in your mind's eye as you listen to your fan. If you think, "Oh there is the imagery," this alone can cause it to stop. Don't worry about anything, but falling asleep and casually listening to your fan noise drone on in the background.

Originally Posted by Tripoli

I'mn going to go try to wild right now (A mid day nap/wild). I hear this is a good time to WILD. Hope it works.

Also, as a question. Do I try wild immediately at the beginning of the nap, or do I get some sleep then WILD?

With naps, you go ahead and try to WILD from the very beginning. You already got some sleep first (the previous night). Keep in mind that the best times to WILD are 1 - 8 hours after waking from sleep. They can be performed later as well, but it will get increasingly difficult the longer you wait. Good luck to you!

Using the house sounds as an anchor has worked well for getting me relaxed and into the SP. The problem I am having is going to the next level When i start to have the images form around me, something will snap and i'll fade to black. It's very similar to when i was first learning to LD. I would get lucid then immediately wake up.

just now i was napping/going for a wild and i reverse blinked into a light SP. then after a couple of hallucinations I could see my foot form in the blackness, like the foot i had when laying down. When i went to look at the foot, It faded away to black. I didn't last much longer than that.

Instead of completely shifting your vision to the hallucinations, just relax and observe the hallucinations as a whole (don't pick out certain hallucinations ore details). If you see something forming in the darkness, don't analyze it and try to see what it is. Just let it stay fuzzy if it wants to. You need to act as if nothing unusual is happening and just observe everything in the state it is already in. You just need to continue the falling asleep process and allow the hallucinations to do whatever.

Ok, so I have tried to stay awake for 5 min., but that didn't go so well. So, I have thought about reading something to keep me awake. Will reading about lucid dreaming increase the chance of getting lucid?

Yeah, it will only help. I would often hop on Dream Views and read through some dream journals during my WBTBs. You could read anything about lucid dreaming and it may give you that edge you need to make your breakthrough. Good luck!

So I have been getting into sp for about 10-20 secs id say each time i attempt a wild, hearing wave type noises, vibrations, and that kinda stuff. I try not to focus on sp when it happens, but is it okie to shift awareness to it for a second and then back to my breathing. Anyhow, two questions, how long does sp last approx, i know it varies a lot? Is focusing on breathing or counting work for when in SP or will that also break the SP? It seems like i can get into SP fairly well, but i keep breaking it hehe. Thanks

Once SP sets in, I like to always shift my anchor to the SP itself. Now, you have to act as if nothing unusual is happening. Just casually observe any hallucinations as you relax and strive toward falling asleep. SP can vary with each attempt, but it really shouldn't take any longer than 5-10 minutes at the most. If you find yourself in SP for longer, you simply aren't transitioning/finishing falling asleep. Once SP starts, I suggest you shift your focus from breathing to something more subtle, like the hallucinations. You don't want to be focusing on your actual bod when you are transitioning into the dream state. This can cause you to break SP, fail the transition, etc. Once you hit SP, just relax, act as if nothing unusual is happening, let the hallucinations do whatever they desire and just continue to fall into a deeper and deeper sense of relaxation/sleep.

When I'm trying to WILD I find the hardest part is keeping my eyes still. I'll find myself straining my eyes trying to look at the blackness, darting all around, looking up intensely, and they end up hurting slightly and I realise I'm straining them and try and keep them loosely unfocused looking forwards, but then my eyelids seem to want to open up. It takes my attention away from my breathing and makes my mind more active, which causes me to lose SP. I also have a tendency to try and focus on the feeling of SP vibrating my body or moving into my head, and getting excited.

Do you have any tips for the eye straining? I'll try reverse blinking to perhaps make my eyes more tired, but im not sure if I'm just focussing too hard on trying to hit SP

One thing you can try is laying in a really dark room with your eyes open. Lay there for about 10-15 minutes. This will give your eyes time to adjust to the darkness and hopefully they won't feel strained. Also, make sure you are looking out into the darkness. Like out into the background of your closed eyes. If you look too closely into the foreground, you may be slightly crossing your eyes. Its possibly that this is causing your eye strain. Reverse Blinking will definitely help with your eyelids wanting to open, so I would suggest giving RB a shot. Good luck and let me know how it goes for you.

the last time I tried this I still crashed; however, I'm going to keep doing this till I succeed. I did get into sleep paralysis by accident once when I was out late and had inadequate sleep the night before. I wonder if the lack of sleep can help. Any thoughts on this Yoshi?

Yeah, sleep deprivation can cause a rebound in REM. Basically, your REM periods will start much sooner, occur with more frequency, and last longer. This along with being tired could have helped you get into SP faster than your brain/mind had time to lose consciousness. I'm not recommending you deprive yourself of sleep on purpose, but any time you find yourself in the situation, it may be an opportune time to attempt a WILD.