Thread: Falling Asleep while WILDing

More enjoyable you say? I guess there really is more to WILDing experimentation than I originally thought....

Thanks for the insights. I wanted to ask my last question without the predictable "everyone's WILDing experience is different, you can't be doing it 'wrong'" response, but the way that you put it, that seems to be the only response to my questions I've been pondering and asking.

I'll keep some things noted on a notepad before I go to bed tonight, and I'll try several different things before I report back here - unless I'm successful in WILDing before I try other things after tonight.

Thanks for everything thus far, I'll report back here when I've tried more things.

You're welcome. See ya around dream time! =0)

I seem to have the same problems as well. I have tried the counting the numbers in my head trick and it seems to work, keeping me up longer (as long as I can keep my focus on counting).

@Hijo de la Luna: See you around!

@Jhony: Although I'm not really in position to be giving advice on WILDing, I'd recommend starting with DILDs first. I see in your goals in your signature that you have yet to get your first LD? While I've seen that there is no prerequisite techniques or anything like that for general methods of induction, WILD tends to be more difficult than DILD, so you might consider going with DILDs before WILDing.

However, that's entirely up to you. If you'd like to continue working on WILDing, I'd like to ask you this: how do you usually do your WILDing? Do you just try WILDing before going to sleep, or do you WBTB as well as WILD, like I've been trying to do? Also, if you're doing a WBTB first, how long do you sleep before you wake up? Sounds like, from the limited details you gave, that you're just not getting enough sleep prior.

I would think that it's the same problem I've had a couple times. Though I've barely started to experiment with WILD.
The problem might be that you fall asleep into non-lucid that you can't remember or (in my case) if you're doing it when you take a nap in the afternoon, you're not in your REM cycle and you have a dreamless sleep.

That right there is why I think I haven't had luck with any afternoon WILD attempts: wasn't ready for REM, didn't go lucid, just fell into dreamless sleep.

i have that experience when i wild too early in the morning. after i've had 7 or 8 hours of sleep i am much more likely to stay awake.

but it's a tradeoff because it's easier to fall back asleep into WILD mode when it's earlier.

find that "goldilocks" time...

also i read that one is more likely to REM when the room is slightly cold.

and i like the idea of putting in MILD suggestions. That's a win-win. But i learned that it can take a while for MILD to work, so patience is important.

Originally Posted by beachgirl

also i read that one is more likely to REM when the room is slightly cold.

It seems like that would make it harder to fall asleep though.

i've read this... and i get it... i can't sleep if the room is too hot.

i sleep better in a cool room. i'm not talking COLD... but cool....

i've read it elsewhere but just googled this: (i am not sure where i read it originally)...

In most cases, temperatures above 75 degrees Fahrenheit and below 54 degrees will disrupt sleep, but even sleep researchers fail to agree on an exact temperature for sleep. The point at which sleep is interrupted due to temperature or climate conditions varies from person to person and can be affected by bed clothes and bedding materials selected by the sleeper. In general, most sleep scientists believe that a slightly cool room contributes to good sleep. This is because it mimics what occurs inside the body when the body's internal temperature drops during the night to its lowest level. (For good sleepers, this occurs about four hours after they begin sleeping.) How Can ChiliPadTM help? In general, sleep scientists recommend keeping your room slightly cool -- but achieving the ideal temperature isn't always simple. A slightly cool room allows for a more restful sleep while in the REM phase.

https://www.chilitechnology.com/about.php

o.o It lets you change the temperature of your mattress? That's pretty cool.

I love it when the room is cold and then I get to snuggle up under my blankets and be all warm. =) I think I've heard of the internal temperature drops during sleep. Or maybe it was something else. In any case, it said that keeping your feet warm is good for sleep because it helps your core temperature drop (I think).

In my case it's much easier that when I wake up after 5 hours of sleep, is that going to the toilet with lights on is much more better to wild because it wakes me up and wakes my mind up so I don't go to sleep.
The main thing is to wake your mind up and increase your minds activaty.

Originally Posted by Hidden

o.o It lets you change the temperature of your mattress? That's pretty cool.

I love it when the room is cold and then I get to snuggle up under my blankets and be all warm. =) I think I've heard of the internal temperature drops during sleep. Or maybe it was something else. In any case, it said that keeping your feet warm is good for sleep because it helps your core temperature drop (I think).

You would be correct that your internal body temperature drops during sleep. Funny you should mention that now, I've got my psychology book open right in front of me (I was about to scan/print the sleep cycle graph in it to better help with my efforts in the 90 Days Wild project).

The book (Discovering Psychology Fourth Edition, Hockenbury and Hockenbury) says that one of your normal circadian rhythms, body temperature, typically peaks at 99 degrees F around 4:00PM, and typically dips to 97 degrees F around 4:00AM.

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Originally Posted by Clyde Machine

@Hijo de la Luna: See you around!

@Jhony: Although I'm not really in position to be giving advice on WILDing, I'd recommend starting with DILDs first. I see in your goals in your signature that you have yet to get your first LD? While I've seen that there is no prerequisite techniques or anything like that for general methods of induction, WILD tends to be more difficult than DILD, so you might consider going with DILDs before WILDing.

However, that's entirely up to you. If you'd like to continue working on WILDing, I'd like to ask you this: how do you usually do your WILDing? Do you just try WILDing before going to sleep, or do you WBTB as well as WILD, like I've been trying to do? Also, if you're doing a WBTB first, how long do you sleep before you wake up? Sounds like, from the limited details you gave, that you're just not getting enough sleep prior.

Sorry for the late reply. No way for me to know if anyone commented back on my posts unless I re-look over them.

And yeah, I do think getting a DILD is easier than a WILD. From the last time I posted, I actually got a DILD (my first), but that was just random as I was not doing any reality checks before (lazy).

I've started the "90 Days to a WILD" program just to see if it was possible with no luck yet (other than my random DILD dream).

I'll be happy to do a DILD as long as I'm able to achieve a lucid dream faster, it's just the process of doing reality checks and all that I get lazy on and don't do.

Originally Posted by Jhony

Sorry for the late reply. No way for me to know if anyone commented back on my posts unless I re-look over them.

And yeah, I do think getting a DILD is easier than a WILD. From the last time I posted, I actually got a DILD (my first), but that was just random as I was not doing any reality checks before (lazy).

I've started the "90 Days to a WILD" program just to see if it was possible with no luck yet (other than my random DILD dream).

I'll be happy to do a DILD as long as I'm able to achieve a lucid dream faster, it's just the process of doing reality checks and all that I get lazy on and don't do.

Yeah, mine come about from a trigger phrase rather than RCs, all DILDs. =)

One reason why I don't like to do a DILD, it's either win or lose. I won't know whether or not I am in dream unless something "clicks" (from doing reality checks for a while) and I suddenly realize I'm lucid.

While for a WILD or other techniques, it may be harder, you are directly getting into the trance for a lucid, skippin the dream part and getting into the lucid part.

I like the spontaneity of DILDs; as much as I'd love to be able to have lucid dreams on command, I like how elusive they are right now - chasing them is part of the fun of lucid dreams, to me. That's why I continue to work on RCs and keep my dream journal while I work on WILDing, so I'll have the best of both worlds, if I so choose.

Originally Posted by Clyde Machine

I like the spontaneity of DILDs; as much as I'd love to be able to have lucid dreams on command, I like how elusive they are right now - chasing them is part of the fun of lucid dreams, to me. That's why I continue to work on RCs and keep my dream journal while I work on WILDing, so I'll have the best of both worlds, if I so choose.

I wish I was able to have more time on Lucid Dreaming, but with school and other things, it's sometimes hard to even remember to do a reality check.

And I know what you mean. While having LDs are fun, I also like regular dreams as it is always random and I can just wake up and laugh (depending on the dream) at how creative my mind can be.

But I do have a question. A time when I was just starting to read about all of this, I was able to (at nights) go into SP right when I get to bed. I wasn't tired or nothing I would just wait there and SP would happen.

That doesn't occur now, but I was wondering if that was a technique and what was it called. (Didn't keep up with it as it was very hard to go into HH or a LD when your pretty awake)

Well, keeping conscious when going into sleep paralysis is the bulk of the "WILD" method, your Wake-Induced Lucid Dream, where you go from a wake state directly into a lucid dream, because you've kept your mind "awake" while your body "goes to sleep". (I'm including all this in case there's a part of it you aren't sure about. ) You lay awake and let your body fall asleep, while you let HH begin, and when those start going on, you're ready to enter into a dream and go completely to sleep, but with a more conscious awareness, which lets you have a lucid dream.

I know what you mean . I face a similiar thing every time i try to WILD . I stay relaxed for some time , get my body paralised (?) and then some strange feeling rushes through my body and insted of seeing dark background while having my eyes closed i start seeing white . I can also hear some kind of a noise , like the wind rushing through your head on high speed . It feels like its the only chance to breakthrough and have a LD but i ussualy spoil it , and then i fall asleep.

So yea i kinda know what you're saying

Originally Posted by Clyde Machine

Well, keeping conscious when going into sleep paralysis is the bulk of the "WILD" method, your Wake-Induced Lucid Dream, where you go from a wake state directly into a lucid dream, because you've kept your mind "awake" while your body "goes to sleep". (I'm including all this in case there's a part of it you aren't sure about. ) You lay awake and let your body fall asleep, while you let HH begin, and when those start going on, you're ready to enter into a dream and go completely to sleep, but with a more conscious awareness, which lets you have a lucid dream.

Oh no I meant doing SP the moment you get to bed, not when you wake up during sleep and do SP.

I was able to do SP when I first go to bed, but not able to when I try WILD.

Well, that sounds like a WILD to me, just without the combined WBTB "Wake Back To Bed" technique. You can WILD without WBTB, I'm sure you're aware, just lay there and let SP set in, and you can have a Wake-Induced Lucid Dream. Waking up and doing it is just WILD+WBTB. That's how I do it.

I'll see if I can get back on doing it again, probably won't work as good since I'll be more awake then say doing it with WBTB.

do you have to feel tired to do a WILD? Or can you feel not tired at all? Just wondering.

No, it has been my experience that I don't have to be tired to WILD.