The WILD variation thread

interesting re the CCILD... .is it a type of MILD?
but then i wonder, doesn't REM require a suspension of logic?
so my mind wonders, which way to go on this...
thanks for posting!

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Originally Posted by Sesquipedalian

I have one that I haven't released to the general public yet. It is the CCILD or Complex Character Induced Lucid Dream. Basically, you come up with a character that has many 'facets' to them, like you would for writing a long story. Then, make them 'come to life' in your mind. When you go to bed or during a WBTB, strike up conversation that is interesting and can go on for a long time, while ignoring whatever sensations you experience. Eventually, you can enter an LD.

The way this works is that keeping the conversation going requires logic. The flow is also a means of tracking how you are doing. (random tangent = losing it a little) For more detail, I have a thread in research.

I've used this to break my year-long dry spell, but I still need more proof before i give it over to the noobs. (It seems a little nutty, and I would rather have a real, working technique for those starting out than a made up one that can drive people away.)

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Sounds like a good idea, I've created some characters for my novel so I could talk to them! (In fact it was them who I was playing football with.)

beachgirl: First off, I think that the CCILD is a WILD in the fact that it does not use a mantra to set off a DILD. It uses a constantly changing subject to keep the mind working. (check on the definitions if you have any doubts)
Second, REM does not require the suspension of logic, as far as I'm aware. How can you have LDs if you have absolutely no logic? How could you remember goals at all? In any case, it should keep you aware enough to make it into a dream while still conscious. THAT is an LD. (if you are aware of it)

Taromon: Thanks, I have two more threads up if you need any info. I would love to hear how it works from as many people as possible.

hey... good point about the WILD vs. MILD

re the logic: i heard the neo-cortex is "down" which explains the weird logic we get in dreams
but i am not a dream scientist
warmly,
bg~~~

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Originally Posted by beachgirl

hey... good point about the WILD vs. MILD

re the logic: i heard the neo-cortex is "down" which explains the weird logic we get in dreams
but i am not a dream scientist
warmly,
bgg~~~

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Thats pretty much correct :)

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Originally Posted by beachgirl

interesting re the CCILD... .is it a type of MILD?
but then i wonder, doesn't REM require a suspension of logic?
so my mind wonders, which way to go on this...
thanks for posting!

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So have you had any luck with the complex character induced lucid dream? It seems like a really creative idea. I'm going to try this tonight-- I feel like if the character is given enough "lucid" intention it will work out in some way.

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Originally Posted by IndigoGhost

Thats pretty much correct :)

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But when we go lucid that part of our brain goes back on

Quote: But when we go lucid that part of our brain goes back on

interesting point... do you know how fully it comes back on? for example in hypnagogic states, aren't we far more impressionable, for example? so does it come fully on or just partially?

It depends on the level of lucidity. If you're fully lucid it should be entirely (or nearly entirely) on, but if the lucidity is extremely low level it might be very lightly activated (for lack of a better term)

i would think if you were totally rational that alone would take you out of lucidity - i think reality is flirting or dancing with the non-logical at best.
people don't fly IRL, for example...

Of course they don't. but that doesn't mean it's not logical IN A DREAM. It's not about what you do, it's about if or if you are not thinking like a person who is awake. IN A DREAM, you would probably just think, "Oh, flying. Whatever. That's commonplace. That's possible." IN A LUCID, your thoughts would be more like, "Oh this is a dream! That means I can fly! YAY!"

The logic part goes back on. But the reading part stays off. So we just think wee are reading when we are not

The "logic center" brings up some interesting ideas. The way I thought it worked was that during normal REM sleep, the logic center shuts down, which accounts for why flying and such things in dreams aren't necessarily instant cues to the untrained mind that a dream is occurring. When entering REM sleep from a mind awake, body asleep position, the logic center has more activity as it hasn't had the opportunity to shut down. The kind of makes sense, when you listen to the reported differences between MILD/DILDs and WILDs. From what I've read, people tend to say that MILD and DILDs tend to be more abstract and dreamlike, whereas WILDs have a tendency to be pretty realistic. Many WILDers report that they tend to begin their WILDs with false awakenings, and this would make sense if the logical brain were still on. The brain thinks "Well, I was in bed a few minutes ago, I must still be in bed." despite the fact that you are dreaming.

I love the CCILD concept. This would be especially cool if you have re-occurring DCs. How much success do you have with this technique vs your success rates with others, Sesquipedalian?