WILD from first falling asleep

This has always been an interesting topic for me as I've seen so many threads on having to have reached REM before obtaining lucidity.

That, coupled with the fact that I am most alert and productive in trying to obtain a WILD right when I go to sleep - has made it a goal of mine.

In the past few months I have done this several times. While I will admit that the dream may not be as vivid as one in which I have slept for 5 hours or so it is definitely possible.

Distraction to me seems to work the best for WILD. I let my mind wander with thoughts, images, etc. while keeping a faint thought that I am falling asleep. When I start to feel like I'm not breathing or vibrations it is easier for me to accept that I'm falling asleep and I just have to make sure I don't get too scared that I wake up.

There is a transition period where I lose all control of my thought processes and concentration but with luck it is obtained again (doesn't always happen).

Just wondering if anyone else has been very successful in obtaining a WILD upon first going to sleep. Don't get me wrong, I have had more success after at least a few hours asleep but for me that is sometimes hard because of how tired I am at the time.

I've WILDed upon first falling asleep twice before. Both times I hadn't gotten much sleep the night before and I believe it was easier for me to accomplish because of this. Both WILDs didn't last very long and were purely accidental (meaning I didn't try to WILD initially, I just felt SP coming on and went with it). It is definately possible to WILD upon entering sleep, but it just isn't worth it in my opinion (takes to long, too much effort, produces short low quality LDs (in my experience it may be different for others) etc).

My only WILDs are non-WBTB. It's easier for me somehow.

It depends on what you label "success." I can WILD when I first go to sleep, but I end up in a dreamless void, or trance-like state. My thoughts become all encompassing, and I may lose some awareness of my body, like an extremely realistic daydream. If I wait in this trance for a long time, dreams may start to appear. It is a pleasant way to meditate, but not very reliable for lucid dreaming.

Ah finally, people who are trying to WILD unWBTB. I've been trying this almost every day. It's only happened once, and it was cruddy quality. Still, i am determined to make it work. I have a method that works awesome for me. I visualize a single point of light, and that light represents my lucidity, and I visualize it in the spot of my mind where I am when I fall asleep (I really don't know how to explain the spot or how it is a location, it just is). And if the light dissapears, it alerts me back to lucidity and i simply create it again and keep the process going as long as possible. It is transition and coming into transition that I need help with.
First,
How do I know when transition is going to begin?
How do I make it through transition?
How will I know when I am in the dead end of a WILD attempt without the REM cycle (the black void)?

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Originally Posted by bigCHEESE77

First,
How do I know when transition is going to begin?
How do I make it through transition?
How will I know when I am in the dead end of a WILD attempt without the REM cycle (the black void)?

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Well, I'm not sure I can sufficiently answer the first two, because in my experience, I just knew. I knew when I was entering transition, and my brain told me what to do to make it through the transition (which was doing pushups in my bed last time, strangely enough) and if I obeyed it, I'd get through. Out of my three WILDs, only once has it been something weird, but the ultimate point is to get myself to start using my dream body and finalize that separation between waking and sleeping.

Concerning the last question, however, I have learned to be wary of believing in the black void. More than once I've reached the void and assumed I'd failed to form a dream in the WILD, but now I'm less certain of those times. You see, I read elsewhere on these forums that a lot of times you just need to open your 'dream eyes' when you reach this point, and if you just try to open your eyelids very, very slowly, you'll transition right into a dream. This has worked for me twice, but unfortunately both attempts were so short I don't even count them as real WILDs.

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Originally Posted by LiveInTheDream

and my brain told me what to do to make it through the transition (which was doing pushups in my bed last time, strangely enough) and if I obeyed it, I'd get through. Out of my three WILDs, only once has it been something weird, but the ultimate point is to get myself to start using my dream body and finalize that separation between waking and sleeping.

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Could you elaborate please?

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Originally Posted by bigCHEESE77

Could you elaborate please?

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Well, it's kind of hard to. I guess I just learned how WILDing went for me well enough that I could tell "oh, everything's black, I need to open my dream eyes!" if that's what was necessary, or "oh, I need to move my dream body since I can feel it now!" if that's what it took instead. Because every WILD is a little different...there's different images that appear, sounds that play, and even different SP sensations. And while they all lead to transition, that transition can be equally different each time as well. So I just learned what transition feels like, learned about different ways to get through it, and then, when the time came, I just somehow knew which of those ways to use.

Hope that helps.

Robot, the same thing happens to me when i WILD at night or sometimes too late in the day, like 7 pm

i wonder what the cutoff time is for getting REM vs. void-y trance?

Different for everyone, is my guess. You'd have to experiment yourself to figure out what works for you.

Anyone feel like sacrificing their regular sleep patterns? Come on, who wants to be a guinea pig?

I've only done this once, and I didn't realize I was dreaming. I remember going through HI, But I thought it didn't work so I got up. Un-Benownst to me I was dreaming