DEILD problem

Hi
I am trying to lucid dream using the DEILD technique.

I wake up from after my dream and i don't move or open my eyes. But the problem is i just fall asleep again 10 seconds later.
I have read other tutorials on this technique but no one mentions about this problem that can happen.

How do i keep my mind awake? I tried focusing on breathing and have tried focusing on my last dream that i had, but nothing seems to work i just fall asleep.

Are there any tricks to keeping mind awake that i don't know about?
Maybe this technique isn't for me, not sure.

It's just that alot of people say this is so easy and never mention about how hard it is to actually stay awake.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by JenJ

Hi
I am trying to lucid dream using the DEILD technique.

I wake up from after my dream and i don't move or open my eyes. But the problem is i just fall asleep again 10 seconds later.
I have read other tutorials on this technique but no one mentions about this problem that can happen.

How do i keep my mind awake? I tried focusing on breathing and have tried focusing on my last dream that i had, but nothing seems to work i just fall asleep.

Are there any tricks to keeping mind awake that i don't know about?
Maybe this technique isn't for me, not sure.

It's just that alot of people say this is so easy and never mention about how hard it is to actually stay awake.

Thanks

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I've never DEILD'd before but if I'm not mistaken, I think you can imagine yourself back in the scene and that should work provided you want to go back to sleep :) BTW, I would move this thread to a more appropriate place(this section is for WILD) because you would get a better answer :)

The issue with DEILD (and WILD for that matter) is to have a balanced alertness. Enough to trick your body into sleep and mind into REM, while sneakingly staying conscious behind the scenes so to speak.

I have DEILDed three times. Every time it happened in a matter of seconds. I was laying still, and a second later I felt vibrations and then a dream scene formed rather quickly, though I was too excited to jump into the dream. You should be relaxed and just wait for the dream to stabilize properly before you enter. It's like watching TV and then finally decide to enter the TV (very true analogy).

I think it's really important that your room is pitch black so that you do not get any external at all stimuli. This will make it a lot easier in my experience.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by JenJ

Hi
I am trying to lucid dream using the DEILD technique.

I wake up from after my dream and i don't move or open my eyes. But the problem is i just fall asleep again 10 seconds later.
I have read other tutorials on this technique but no one mentions about this problem that can happen.

How do i keep my mind awake? I tried focusing on breathing and have tried focusing on my last dream that i had, but nothing seems to work i just fall asleep.

Are there any tricks to keeping mind awake that i don't know about?
Maybe this technique isn't for me, not sure.

It's just that alot of people say this is so easy and never mention about how hard it is to actually stay awake.

Thanks

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I've DEILD'd three times... each time I never was awake for more than 10 seconds :P Essentially, a DEILD (Dream Exit Induced Lucid Dream) is a VERY shortened version of a WILD. Admittedly, each time was slightly unintentional... meaning I DEILD'd "by accident."

All I really mean by this is... I didn't wake up and think, "I am going to DEILD now." It was more of a "What a great dream, I don't want it to end yet." The tricky bit is being aware enough that in the back of my head, I know I'm going back into the dream with control this time. But not focusing TOO strongly on it. I can't always replicate my DEILDing, unfortunately. It's a very delicate balance :)

But what happened for me on those few occasions is this.

I was having a vivid dream (mine tend to be anyways, so that's nothing abnormal) and I just wasn't really ready to wake up yet. The first time I woke up, it's because a dream character tried to talk to me and it dissolved my dream. The other times it was for no apparent reason.

Each time though, I was really not actually willing to get up. I wanted to sleep some more, so this helped. Each time as I fell back to sleep I

a) Hadn't moved from the position I woke up from (fairly important step - it helps).
b) my mind was solidly focused on the last scene I just woke up from. Only as I was focused on it, I also had this thought in the back of my head that just knew it was a dream.

To explain what it was like while focusing on the scene... I was mainly just focusing on what had just happened, and daydreaming about what could have happened next. While knowing it was a dream.

I think it's important that I woke up naturally (no alarms).
I didn't move.
I was in that dizzy, heavy, not ready to actually wake up state.
I was solidly focused on the dream that was. That very last scene. I intended for that dream to carry on.

It's almost like the scene just swallowed up around me and I just kind of "knew" that it was a dream and not a day dream. It moves around you without your influence. As soon as you feel this, stabilize the dream! Take control of yourself first before you start running around and summoning stuff and trying to fly :) Gotta make sure your dream is solid :)

Often times, you'll find the scene has changed just slightly. People usually disappear when I DEILD. Or something in the scenery changes.

This *has* failed me in the past. Things that generally fail a DEILD for me are... lack of focus on the scene that was. Sometimes, when I wake up and I think about the scene that was; my mind drifts back into sleep but without control over the last scene. Like I drift off to something different altogether and I don't have that thought that I'm dreaming.

Lack of focus on the fact that I am dreaming and falling back to sleep. That thought really has to be present in my mind somewhere. Usually it's, "I want this dream back."

Anyways, I hope this helps!

Nice explanation, Eternalstar. :) That pretty much sums up my attitude to DEILD-ing. One other thing I do though is try to trick my senses. If I've woken up just enough to know the dream is ending, I am usually still relaxed enough to imagine seeing and feeling things in the dream scene. I imagine being back in the dream, but also picking things up, or moving around, feeling surfaces. (feel the muscles move etc) I have to simulate these feelings myself at first, but after a few seconds, the dream comes back- making it "real", and hanging on to something is a good way to help draw yourself in.

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Originally Posted by JenJ

Hi
I am trying to lucid dream using the DEILD technique.

I wake up from after my dream and i don't move or open my eyes. But the problem is i just fall asleep again 10 seconds later.
I have read other tutorials on this technique but no one mentions about this problem that can happen.

How do i keep my mind awake? I tried focusing on breathing and have tried focusing on my last dream that i had, but nothing seems to work i just fall asleep.

Are there any tricks to keeping mind awake that i don't know about?
Maybe this technique isn't for me, not sure.

It's just that alot of people say this is so easy and never mention about how hard it is to actually stay awake.

Thanks

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You could try counting your breaths and saying "I'm dreaming" after each number. (one I'm dreaming... two I'm dreaming... three I'm dreaming...) that way once you fall asleep you don't just forget why you are counting, you have a reason and you become lucid. You'll prolly find yourself in the dream saying "I'm dreaming... I'm dreaming... wait, am I dreaming?" and there you go.

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Originally Posted by Reverie Phantom

You could try counting your breaths and saying "I'm dreaming" after each number. (one I'm dreaming... two I'm dreaming... three I'm dreaming...) that way once you fall asleep you don't just forget why you are counting, you have a reason and you become lucid. You'll prolly find yourself in the dream saying "I'm dreaming... I'm dreaming... wait, am I dreaming?" and there you go.

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This technique just made me too alert, followed by extreme boredom resulting in me falling asleep.

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That pretty much sums up my attitude to DEILD-ing. One other thing I do though is try to trick my senses. If I've woken up just enough to know the dream is ending, I am usually still relaxed enough to imagine seeing and feeling things in the dream scene. I imagine being back in the dream, but also picking things up, or moving around, feeling surfaces. (feel the muscles move etc) I have to simulate these feelings myself at first, but after a few seconds, the dream comes back- making it "real", and hanging on to something is a good way to help draw yourself in.

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Interesting. I've never really tried this before. I shall give it a try tonight. Let everything go and just imagine, imagine. It'll help activating your inner senses which is essential to dreaming (according to LaBerge). I suppose having a pitch black room and no external stimuli is critical.

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Originally Posted by BohmaN

I suppose having a pitch black room and no external stimuli is critical.

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Not necessarily! Well, I guess everybody's different, but most of my DEILDs happen when my room is quite bright (the sun shines through the closed blinds), and there's always some sort of noise coming from downstairs. I also live on a main road and my room's at the front of the house. You shouldn't really be awake enough to notice anything ideally, but it can still be done if you are!

Thanks for all the help. Finally managed to nearly DEILD twice! Just focused on my breathing more and within seconds had SP. Though terrified and wriggled my way out of SP each time.

Just got to get over this fear now, but happy i made progress