Thread: What happened? Post Your WILD Attempts, Good or Bad, Here

^^ You kind of answered your own question, but I'll do what I can:

No, there are no non-physical RC's, because by their nature RC's are tied inexorably to physical existence.

I'm not sure about that whole "smelling pie" bit, or even about false awakening during WILD (which doesn't even make sense), but in reality if you are awake, then no matter what is thrown at you, you will succeed in making the transition from wake to sleep to dream.

Don't look for roadblocks because if you do, then they will exist, powerfully.

OH MY FREAKING GOODNESS

WILD PERFECTLY LIKE 90 minutes-2 hours AGO!!! YES!

Okay okay okay, can barely contain my excitement here, forgive me....and there's too much speculation on how I pulled this off but but, I don't know how I was conscious of me in waking life for a few seconds, but whatever the case, it sort of triggered myself to attempt a WILD after I closed my eyes again.

After knowing 100% that I'm dreaming through counting my 6 dream fingers on one hand, and after typing the experience up in waking life, there's one part that bothers me.

I haven't posted the DJ entry as yet, since it's close to 4:56 AM right now as I'm typing this, and I can still attempt another WILD:

I try floating away from the house, with all my might, but I'm completely incapable of doing so. So I went into "oooh screw it" mode and let the beam of light suck me in, and I almost in transitioning myself to wake up, but then I hear some voice....like the voice from the guy from "The Price is Right."

No, not Drew Carey, the "YOU JUST WON A NEW CAAAAAAAAAR!" guy voice. I don't know where he is, but all I hear is (paraphrasing):

"Find out how YOU can pseudo-lucid dream as well!"

I just....I just don't what to say. I want to say that the WILD was a huge success, but after that....ugh...I don't know, maybe that quote transcended into that lucid dream from a different dream, because I remembered on more dream before attempting the WILD.

I'm going to categorize this attempt as a WILD, but but...*cries* I just don't know anymore.


Also, whether or not this was a "pseudo-WILD" attempt within False Awakening sorta DILD (I'm completely contradicting all basic concepts right now), I literally pushed my eyes a bit after I thought of an image, specifically this one:

"n_n"

And as soon as that appears, I concentrated on it, and it started to turn and form randomly, then the matrix font numbers of 0 and 1 start trailing down behind it, and all sorts of randomness, and bam, I'm on my dream bed.

I'm going to try the pushing out my eyes thing after I've relaxed a bit (but right now, I think I've stayed up for a WBTB after typing my dj entry in the Dream Journal system by Banhurt) to see if this might be my way of "forcing" myself to go into the dream state after a few hours of sleeping?

Note: I woke up around 3:20 AM after I had the lucid dream.

And I slept for a few hours, so basically it was from 11:30 PM-3:20AM I'm assuming. It's weird, I took a 3 hour nap around 3PM, and woke up about 7 PM before, so maybe that contributed to me being able to sleep less and hit lighter REM stages.

But anyway, just wanted to point that out, thanks for reading! Even if that's a "pseudo-WILD," which I don't believe, I was lucid nonetheless.

EDIT:

Sorry, just read the post you made Sageous about the false awakening and WILD, I kind of wrote the experience above in excitement, forgetting what was on this page. Forgive me. :/

Congratulations, LinkZelda!

I think.

Seriously, though: I read your DJ entry and sure enough, that was a WILD. (It might have been DEILD really, but consciously speaking they're the same thing). Also, I think you were definitely lucid, based on how you describe your dream. So in this case I don't think you had a FA, but even if you did, that would make this a DILD, and you were still lucid, so who cares?

I wouldn't take proclamations by off-set announcers too seriously in any dream -- that line was likely just a bit of nervous doubt trickling up from your unconscious, and your state of waking awareness was strong enough to simply laugh it off.

So congrats again; nice work!

Ugh. I would of WILDed last night if it wasn't for my OCD!

I have a combination of OCD, and with the "roll-over signals", or "Sleep Paralysis Urges", it makes it incredibly difficult to keep my hands in the same place. Any tips on how to control this?

I was so close to a WILD last night but then I got scared so I decided not to do it. I'm gonna try again tonight though.

I don't WILD on weekends, but on Friday morning I managed to make some progress.

I actually got up out of bed, sat there for a bit. Went to the bathroom. I was completely ready and feeling like doing this.

I just couldn't get comfortable . Maybe tomorrow at 4am I will succeed, I really want this ToTM our of the way.

Originally Posted by skullgunner1

Ugh. I would of WILDed last night if it wasn't for my OCD!

I have a combination of OCD, and with the "roll-over signals", or "Sleep Paralysis Urges", it makes it incredibly difficult to keep my hands in the same place. Any tips on how to control this?

I don't have much, unfortunately. The high mental RPM nature of OCD makes it a difficult condition to have during WILD. You could try a simple tactic like wearing something with pockets to bed, and securing your hands in them during the WILD.

Or you could put your OCD to work for you and do something complex, like including extra thoughts in your RRC's that remind you that SP is just noise, not a goal, and that roll-over signals are a thing to be ignored, not followed or anticipated.

Your OCD might also be handy because it could allow you to use a more complex mantra that occupies your mind just enough to keep thoughts of moving your hands, rolling over, or "reaching" SP out of your head. For instance, start with something simple like "I am here," but overlay it with a visualization of your desired dream scene. Normally I wouldn't recommend something like this, but I think maybe that extra thing to think about might occupy your mind enough to keep the OCD-driven compulsions from filling your head as sleep approaches.

These thoughts weren't much help, I'm sure, but I didn't want to just suggest something obvious like "Try DILD or MILD, because they are more conducive to an OCD-based mindset." After all, this is a WILD forum!

Good luck!

i am having trouble with two things timing and the mantra.

timing- is natural waking good enough as timing goes(staying up for 10 mins)?

mantra- is "my bed" decent, as it reminds me of where i am?

is it normal to be distracted and keep forgeting to repeat it. i am distracted by visual thoughts...

i hope i didnt miss your answering for the day!

Originally Posted by ThAtaInTmE

i am having trouble with two things timing and the mantra.

timing- is natural waking good enough as timing goes(staying up for 10 mins)?

Natural waking is better, as opposed to using an alarm clock. Alarm clocks tend to over-ignite your reticular system (aka your brain's chemical wake-up system), which leaves your sense of dreaming behind a bit too harshly and thoroughly. Plus, and perhaps more importantly, natural awakenings tend to happen between REM cycles, so your cycle is "naturally" in the right place. Staying up 10 minutes is fine; even one minute is fine, as long as you actually get up, maybe stretch, and at least minimally reunite with your waking self-awareness.

mantra- is "my bed" decent, as it reminds me of where i am?
is it normal to be distracted and keep forgeting to repeat it. i am distracted by visual thoughts...

"My bed" is not a mantra I would use, because it is a mite too archetypically descriptive -- meaning that I might start associating other things than just remembering where I am, particularly comfy, sleepy thoughts rather than dreamy thoughts, and possibly wandering off into thoughts about sea beds and flower beds, and what have you. However, if you can maintain a steady reference to just the memory of where you are, then it is an excellent mantra.

And yes, it is normal to be distracted and keep forgetting to repeat your mantra; that's why it's important that your mantra be simple and meaningful, so that this difficult task is made as doable as possible. Distraction is easier than focus, always, but with a little practice you'll be able to hold the mantra with minimal interruption, with those visual thoughts relegated to your perceptual margins.

I hope that helped; let me know if it didn't...

Absolutely it helped! Thanks. I'll post results tomorrow.

I was sort of successful during a nap this afternoon. I didn't transition out of bed like usual but I was really confused into a FA.
I posted it all here →Dream Journal Entry

*Sigh*
Hey Sageous. I still can't get past the images.
I feel no SP, I can move very easily throughout the whole process, the only thing I thought that was SP was the fear that if I move I would mess it completely up. I lay there for over 30 mins at a time, and when those colored images come, I look at them, and minutes later they go away, and NOTHING. I'm so mad.

Originally Posted by skullgunner1

*Sigh*
Hey Sageous. I still can't get past the images.
I feel no SP, I can move very easily throughout the whole process, the only thing I thought that was SP was the fear that if I move I would mess it completely up. I lay there for over 30 mins at a time, and when those colored images come, I look at them, and minutes later they go away, and NOTHING. I'm so mad.

Did you even read the class...SP is not his thing unless your using the DEILD method, which by the way sageous, i succeeded with greatly, for the second time. Anyway ill leave sageous with the nitty gritty stuff.

But sageous, with my mild success (not MILD!) i have trouble remembering to stay still, if i can do it, and remember my dream, the rest is a blur, from SP in seconds to a copy of my room. (I love the copy thing). I figured that that is where recall is most important, because you realize earlier when your awake? No?

Anyway i find alot of the time im already moving without knowing it, ruining the DEILD. suggestions would be fantastic.

Originally Posted by skullgunner1

*Sigh*
Hey Sageous. I still can't get past the images.
I feel no SP, I can move very easily throughout the whole process, the only thing I thought that was SP was the fear that if I move I would mess it completely up. I lay there for over 30 mins at a time, and when those colored images come, I look at them, and minutes later they go away, and NOTHING. I'm so mad.

I think ThAtainTmE said it well enough, but I'll repeat that SP is not and should not be the target of your WILD attempts. Making it that important will likely help you to ignore your sleep transitions and usable stimuli like those images, from which you might have been able to construct a dream.

I suggest that you not only stop trying to "reach" SP, but actively plan on ignoring it, even if you encounter something that feels like it. I also suggest that you check out Mzzkc's Sleep Paralysis Demystified thread -- you might find much of it useful.

Oh, and pardon the shameless self-promotion, but you might actually want to read the course that this thread is attached to ... I think you might find it useful!

Originally Posted by ThAtaInTmE

But sageous, with my mild success (not MILD!) i have trouble remembering to stay still, if i can do it, and remember my dream, the rest is a blur, from SP in seconds to a copy of my room. (I love the copy thing). I figured that that is where recall is most important, because you realize earlier when your awake? No?

Anyway i find alot of the time I'm already moving without knowing it, ruining the DEILD. suggestions would be fantastic.

I have but one slightly bizarre suggestion, since what you're doing so far seems to be coming along just fine, and I'd hate to interrupt:

Don't worry about moving during DEILD.

Holding still is very important in WILD (and even there not utterly required), but not so much in DEILD, since most of your dreaming mindset is already in place. I have a sneaking suspicion that your DEILD isn't being ruined by your movement, but from your realizing that you moved; this realization can easily cloud your mind with very distracting thoughts of failure.

Should you move again: just think nothing of it and move on into that copy of your room. I know that is way easier to say than it actually is to do, but it isn't impossible. You might be able to help your effort by doing a little autosuggestion before sleep; something like: "I won't care if I move when I exit my dream."

Sometimes adherence to presupposed rules does more damage than simply ignoring those rules in the name of keeping your self-awareness pure.

That's all I got; I hope it helped.

I took a nap around 4:15 PM, and woke up around 7:00 PM, then decided to sleep for just one more hour....oh man...wanting to sleep has never felt so good so before.

The first attempt where I tried to WILD during napping, because I felt really tired during late afternoon, since I woke up early in the morning, I tried counting down to 0 from 100 slowly, taking deep breaths. I lost track and was breathing slowly, perfect conditions to relax, but I just passed out somehow. I'll just need to work on that more.

Also, I think my laptop alarms are pretty much useless, so I might try practicing a mantra throughout the day that I will become aware of me waking up with my eyes closed after or during the onset of a REM period, and hope that I can get a DEILD or the split second WILD when I do open my eyes and close them back again.

But other than that, nothing that really needs input, just wanted to put the attempt here for a good cause.

I noticed something...I'm a heavy sleeper. Because the alarms from the laptop, they're pretty loud, but I only set them for maybe 4-7 seconds, because I wouldn't like my neighbors being annoyed of a 30 second alarm blaring...but I think I might have to resort to that.

I think my main problem is simply, just like before, waking up for a WBTB, or using an alarm to initiate a DEILD, other than that, I just have to continue disciplining myself to record my dreams in the Dream Journal system by Banhurt, and just hope for the best.

I also seem to be able to relax fairly quickly, but I still need to do more of those relaxation attempts and mental anchors more. Maybe my body is getting accustomed to being relaxed faster when I want to, something like that. But anyway, thanks for reading! I hope I can attempt a WILD after I sleep again from that very late nap (3 hours probably probably isn't a nap ).

The last time I took a nap that late, and slept again after staying up for 3-4 hours doing things before going back to bed, I managed to have a lucid...maybe with the same conditions, it just might happen tonight. Either way, I look forward to my attempts, even if I do have to wake up extra early for lab tomorrow.

Take care for now.

You're a deep sleeper? I'm jealous!

Originally Posted by Linkzelda

I noticed something...I'm a heavy sleeper. Because the alarms from the laptop, they're pretty loud, but I only set them for maybe 4-7 seconds, because I wouldn't like my neighbors being annoyed of a 30 second alarm blaring...but I think I might have to resort to that.

I think my main problem is simply, just like before, waking up for a WBTB, or using an alarm to initiate a DEILD, other than that, I just have to continue disciplining myself to record my dreams in the Dream Journal system by Banhurt, and just hope for the best.

Though I believe that waking naturally is always the best bet, have you considered using headphones for your alarm? That way you can be subject to all the noise you need without annoying the neighbors. Just a thought!

Thanks for sharing -- I think the map of progress that your writing here is most helpful!

I think I am really realizing how non-essential SP really is. Last night I gave a WBTB WILD attempt and played with HI more that just thinking about physical sensations. I like to watch my hands do things during HI. It makes me feel "busy" with the dream scene. It became so real that I vividly felt the handle bars of my bike in my hand. Actually it looked like handle bars but felt like my car steering wheel. Anyway, I thought I entered the dream completely from HI. So I started to rub my hands together to stabilize and lock myself in the dream but I immediately came back to my physical body awake. I don't know. Was I in a lucid dream however briefly? Or was it just strong HI? It was very vivid. I almost always have SP but this was different. I have been trying to bypass the SP in order to avoid the excited issues I have been having but I just don't know on this one.

Originally Posted by Sageous

You're a deep sleeper? I'm jealous!



Though I believe that waking naturally is always the best bet, have you considered using headphones for your alarm? That way you can be subject to all the noise you need without annoying the neighbors. Just a thought!

Thanks for sharing -- I think the map of progress that your writing here is most helpful!

Funny thing about headphones, I actually have a decent pair that I could use that's also a microphone, which I can always just fold back, but somehow, things that I put on around my head, they "magically" find themselves on the floor, or somewhere in Antarctica.

I might try that out Tuesday night. But I doubt that I could have the headphones on my head in the same position, since I probably toss and turn around while sleeping.

Hopefully I'll remind myself to try it out in the future, thanks!

Originally Posted by Linkzelda

Funny thing about headphones, I actually have a decent pair that I could use that's also a microphone, which I can always just fold back, but somehow, things that I put on around my head, they "magically" find themselves the floor, or somewhere in Antarctica.

I might try that out Tuesday night. But I doubt that I could have the headphones on my head in the same position, since I probably toss and turn around while sleeping.

haha I never could sleep with those. I always end up tossing them in the floor.

Originally Posted by Xanous

I think I am really realizing how non-essential SP really is.

That is a very good thing!

Last night I gave a WBTB WILD attempt and played with HI more that just thinking about physical sensations. I like to watch my hands do things during HI. It makes me feel "busy" with the dream scene. It became so real that I vividly felt the handle bars of my bike in my hand. Actually it looked like handle bars but felt like my car steering wheel. Anyway, I thought I entered the dream completely from HI. So I started to rub my hands together to stabilize and lock myself in the dream but I immediately came back to my physical body awake. I don't know. Was I in a lucid dream however briefly? Or was it just strong HI? It was very vivid. I almost always have SP but this was different. I have been trying to bypass the SP in order to avoid the excited issues I have been having but I just don't know on this one.

I think that if you were able to rub your hands together, and they were indeed dream hands, you were in a dream and not still on your way to one. Hand-rubbing simply requires a more coherent schema than can be achieved in HI. Or at least I think so ... I was pretty impressed that you can look at and feel textures with your "hands" before the dream even starts, as that too runs counter to what I just said. Maybe you're dreaming before you you know it, yet aware all the time ... pretty cool.

Bottom line: it was probably a LD, and nice work continuing to disregard SP!

Originally Posted by Sageous

I have but one slightly bizarre suggestion, since what you're doing so far seems to be coming along just fine, and I'd hate to interrupt:

Don't worry about moving during DEILD.

Holding still is very important in WILD (and even there not utterly required), but not so much in DEILD, since most of your dreaming mindset is already in place. I have a sneaking suspicion that your DEILD isn't being ruined by your movement, but from your realizing that you moved; this realization can easily cloud your mind with very distracting thoughts of failure.

Should you move again: just think nothing of it and move on into that copy of your room. I know that is way easier to say than it actually is to do, but it isn't impossible. You might be able to help your effort by doing a little autosuggestion before sleep; something like: "I won't care if I move when I exit my dream."

Sometimes adherence to presupposed rules does more damage than simply ignoring those rules in the name of keeping your self-awareness pure.

That's all I got; I hope it helped.

I shall give it a go and hopefully next time ill be still anyways, but if i move, ill try.

But this is the good part:
If i fail at DEILD i can WILD
If i fall asleep in WILD i can hope for MILD.

P.S. your in my sig

Originally Posted by Sageous

That is a very good thing!



I think that if you were able to rub your hands together, and they were indeed dream hands, you were in a dream and not still on your way to one. Hand-rubbing simply requires a more coherent schema than can be achieved in HI. Or at least I think so ... I was pretty impressed that you can look at and feel textures with your "hands" before the dream even starts, as that too runs counter to what I just said. Maybe you're dreaming before you you know it, yet aware all the time ... pretty cool.

Bottom line: it was probably a LD, and nice work continuing to disregard SP!

Very cool thanks. I'm not sure, but I don't think I actually rubbed my hands I just was about to or I started to but I woke up. There may have been some excitement there. I am certain I felt the other thing though.

I had a cool experience this morning. I notice that a lot of times I go straight into vivid dreams after getting up walking across the bedroom hitting the snooze button and lying back down. I thought it kinda strange so this morning I decided hey why not try a quick WILD? I visualized rubbing my hands vigoruously while holding my awareness like a physical thing just above my head and to the right. I saw my hands move so fast they streaked and glowed red. I hit SP right away but it was so brief I thought it I failed. So it turned to FA but I really forgot what happened. Anyway next Monday I will try a bout a half hour early.