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Almost everyday ill take a nap after class or work and try to WILD. But the same thing keeps happening: ill count in my head and start to doze off and dream, but when i realize i should be counting i get a euphoric feeling and then my mind wakes up and starts counting again. What could this be?
I need a little more description to help you out.
Do you see little colored patters? Do you hear a buzzing? What do you exactly do you feel?
What I guess from your post is that you are counting, focused on the WILD, then your mild wanders around and when you realize, you must start counting again. Try to do the following:
Visualize a beach. Breath a few times. See the waves coming and going. Get closer to the ocean. Write your initials in the soft wet sat. While you write your name, breath deep. Witness how the wave comes and erase your initials (exhale slowly) While the waves goes back, write you initials again, inhale. Do in infinite loop until you see a pink crab next to you, when an octopus says hi or when you are not in a beach at all (make sure to do a reality check) If you loose focus, refocus again on the same.
I hope it helped!!!
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i dont see anything. i stop counting and start dreaming about something random then i realize i should be counting again and thats when i feel whatever it is im feeling
Great example if never thought of the beach idea im having trouble with WILDs also but that beach idea seems perfect i will try it out and tell ya my resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by PercyLucid
How is the beach idea supposed to help with WILDs?
Did you, at least, read the tutorials about WILD ?Quote:
Originally Posted by nemesispoi
You are supposed to keep your mind awake - by visualization (beach in this case), or counting, or other method - while your body fall asleep.
Thanks, Percy. I'll try this visualization. I'm in trouble finding a way to the dream with WILDs, I'll try this tonight for sure, and tomorrow at afternoon, when I'll take a nap.
Yes I did and I use the counting method. I just didn't understand how the beach method could work. And also, you said you would try that method tonight. I've always heard that you can only WILD after you wake up or before a nap. So is it true that you can WILD before bed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brunor2
I have told about lucid dreaming to a friend. This friend, is using WILD, and he always have success before bed. I did sometimes, I get SP and HI, but my problem is the transition to the dream. It may be harder than during the night, but I find that I have better focus on the technique before bed than after waking up during the night.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemesispoi
By the counting method, you loose focus very, very easy, by the beach method you uses all your senses, and get a better focus on it.
Awesome!! Thank you very much :D usually the only time I can do WILDs is before bed and I never had any motivation because I kept reading that it wouldn't work before bed. But now I have hope!!!
I have never read that before bed never works. People who say this, are the ones who fail. I said: It's harder. You are not close to a REM stage, so you need to wait sometime, like, more than 30 minutes, perfect still.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemesispoi
I usually try before bed, then I get bored and give up, but I know that if I try hard enough, I'll succeed, the only point I fail is the point to enter a dream, that's why I'm looking at new visualization techniques.
Ah i get it. I guess i just always thought it was impossible if youre not close to REM and thats why doing WILD before a nap confused me too
WILD before bed =/= napQuote:
Originally Posted by nemesispoi
When you WILD before bed, you need to take more time to get close to your first REM stage, and it can take some time, like 30 or 45 minutes.
When you take an afternoon nap, you, usually, go straight to a REM stage - because you are sleeping little time and a time different to your normal sleeping schedule (at night).
My naps always take a while for me to get to SP. But usually by that time something wakes me up -.- i've had one 5 second ld with a nap and that was it.
Are you trying to get him stuck in limbo? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by PercyLucid
Are you trying to get him stuck in limbo? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by PercyLucid
lol im pretty sure you have to be dead to be in limbo :P or stuck in your subconcious. but still, the beach thing doesnt make sense to me because i dont understand how to go a dream from there.
I'll try to explain in a more clear way.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemesispoi
When WILDing, you know that you need to keep your mind busy, so it does not wander and you fall asleep. Great. By imagining the beach, at some point, it will turns a dream, it's called visualization. You'll enter the dream state with the beach image and visualization on your mind, your mind will create a dreamscene with this. Thats why he said about you seeing a crab or an octopus, something that wasn't on your visualization, incorporated on it by your mind, then you'll see it's a dream.
This may be a stupid question, but how do you know when youre actually dreaming? How do you know that when youre imagining the beach that the crab and octopus are part of your dream and not something that youre conciously thinking of? I just really confused myself... i think im thinking too deep into this lol.
If your not sure if you're dreaming or not, do a reality check, like plugging your nose and seeing if you can breath through it.
I'll have to try this tonight, it seems more interesting than counting.
So the night is over. Anybody have any luck with the beach thing? i fell asleep and i dont think im good at visualization
Did it last night, failed. Same at the nap today.
I'll give another try to it tonight and tomorrow at afternoon.
I dont know why but focusing on counting is easier for me and i stay awake a lot better
I tried it, fail here too. I guess it's just not the technique for me.
Any other ways that dont involve visualization? i dont get ringing in my ears so i cant focus on that.
The first thing to a proper WILD is to fall asleep. You can't dream if you are not sleeping, but you must do it while remaining conscious.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemesispoi
I would suggest you to read more on WILD - a lot more. Or start with other technique if it's your first time.
You can just lay there and wait the dream to form, but it's more likely you to fail.
I have been trying WILD for almost two months now, I think. DILD still my first technique, but I want, and will, learn WILD, don't matter how much time I need. Somewhere ahead I'll have a success. You must do this, experiment with techniques and the different variations of each other. You can try WILD with visualization, counting, or other methods you'll find on other threads and tutorials.