What SP feels like: the explanation.

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Originally Posted by Jay12341235

I've experienced everything the OP described and trust me, that's not it.

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For YOU that's not SP, but it may be for dakotahnok. I have experienced most of the things he said outside of SP, but I have also experienced it during. Honestly, I don't think SP needs a thread as it's pretty self explanatory once you've reached it, but that doesn't mean I am going to attack someone who posts about it. If you don't like a post ignore it and move on.

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Originally Posted by dakotahnok

Especially sense your the new person.

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He joined the forum's a month before you... Just sayin.
Hey daktahnok do you WILD more than you DILD? Just curious. WILD is pretty much the only way I can lucid.

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Originally Posted by LikesToTrip

He joined the forum's a month before you... Just sayin.
Hey daktahnok do you WILD more than you DILD? Just curious. WILD is pretty much the only way I can lucid.

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I joined in 2009 but when I moved to Oklahoma I was not active and I forgot my log in information.

No. Im not that great a WILDing. But with my many attempts I get plenty of SP. Also I have had about 10 cases of natural SP, along with many DEILDs which has SP with it.

I didn't even notice you were from Oklahoma! I thought I was the only Okie on the forums! I'm jealous of your 10 natural SPs. My friend told me about when he had it once and it scared the shit out of him. I wish I had experienced it, before I knew what it was, and got the shit scared outta me.:(

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Originally Posted by dakotahnok

Who are you to come and hijack MY thread?

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You could tell me I can't but I probably won't listen

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however it IS possible. People have actually succeeded in WILD pre sleep. So don't come in here calling my information false and then giving false information.

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I know it's possible, for very few people. I said that in my first post. It's more chronic in people who fear it, that's when it happens more often. Obviously, if you have an irregular sleep schedule or are stressed (don't forget a combination of both of these) leads to a higher chance of (real) sleep paralysis. The people who 'suffer' from it, or that it happens very often to are probably able to do this but then again they probably don't want it. For the rest of us, there's naps

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Second sleep paralysis is different for a lot of people. Some do not feel the effects at all.

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not really

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Third there are stages of SP. I dont think that there named but it's not just BAM and your in SP.

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I disagree

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Fourth it's kind of funny how you come in here and say that the majority of this site is wrong and your right. Especially sense your the new person.

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Well, the fact that I think this information is wrong, and joined this site later doesn't really mean much

Please read this (written by a friend who's much more experienced than anyone here):

http://www.meta-mind.org/general-kno...feel-like.html

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Originally Posted by Jay12341235

You could tell me I can't but I probably won't listen

I know it's possible, for very few people. I said that in my first post. It's more chronic in people who fear it, that's when it happens more often. Obviously, if you have an irregular sleep schedule or are stressed (don't forget a combination of both of these) leads to a higher chance of (real) sleep paralysis. The people who 'suffer' from it, or that it happens very often to are probably able to do this but then again they probably don't want it. For the rest of us, there's naps

not really

I disagree


Well, the fact that I think this information is wrong, and joined this site later doesn't really mean much

Please read this (written by a friend who's much more experienced than anyone here):

What does the Vibrational state/Sleep Paralysis feel like? - General Knowledge - General

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Well i have enough experiance to say that i am right. And the fact that thread was written by a friend makes your opinion seem a little biased. Most of your remarks stated above sounded arrogant and you didnt even explain your opinions.

And the thread was probably wriiten through his experience. I took the experience of myself a long with many other people.

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Originally Posted by Jay12341235

I disagree

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Umm well okay? Either way it doesnt make a differience. I took many diferient experiences along with my own. Frankly it doesnt matter what your experiences are because i listed them as well.

It doesnt matter if you agree because its completely true. If you read peoples experience with SP you will see that many people are differient.

Dont bother replying because you will be blocked and i wont be able to see the post.

How many times have you conciously entered a dream from sleep paralysis? (meaning there was no lapse of time from waking to sleep)

I've never felt SP, and I've never WILD'ed. Good to get an insight on what it would feel like.

Great post!
I wish I would have had this when I did my first WILD attempts.
This would have answered all my questions.

Lol I have exceeded my time period to make changes. So I will just make the changes when I move it to the wiki.

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Originally Posted by dakotahnok

Lol I have exceeded my time period to make changes. So I will just make the changes when I move it to the wiki.

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FACEPALM

This is going to the wiki? It doesn't even mention paralysis, which is literally half of sleep paralysis. Not to mention why people get it, or how to get it effectively. If I were new and I read this as a source of information, it wouldn't help me get anywhere. It doesn't even say how to go into a lucid dream once you're in paralysis.

I don't want to attack you, but I seriously think you should have left this up to someone... more qualified? :?

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Originally Posted by Jay12341235

FACEPALM

This is going to the wiki? It doesn't even mention paralysis, which is literally half of sleep paralysis. Not to mention why people get it, or how to get it effectively. If I were new and I read this as a source of information, it wouldn't help me get anywhere. It doesn't even say how to go into a lucid dream once you're in paralysis.

I don't want to attack you, but I seriously think you should have left this up to someone... more qualified? :?

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This is not a guide for lucid dreaming, nor is this a guide on how to get sleep paralysis. Read the title.

You are the only person having a problem with this and you are the only person that doesn't think it's helpful.

Well let's look at our LD count.... I win. Now who's more qualified?

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Originally Posted by dakotahnok

This is not a guide for lucid dreaming, nor is this a guide on how to get sleep paralysis. Read the title.

You are the only person having a problem with this and you are the only person that doesn't think it's helpful.

Well let's look at our LD count.... I win. Now who's more qualified?

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how many dreams have you entered from sleep paralysis without a time lapse? Answer me this and you'll (win?)

You've never experienced the weight on the chest or hallucinations? That's not sleep paralysis, I know it's not. You can get the numbness and vibrating by listening to delta-wave binaural beats. you won't get a lucid dream, but you'll get your definition of sleep paralysis 100% of the time.

Simply go to Yahoo Answers and type in sleep paralysis. You'll get many first hand accounts of people's true experience with it and how unpleasant it was for them (not saying it's terrible for everyone but a large majority it is). Read their experiences and compare them to your guide. After about ten you'll see what I mean.

Watch this video, reads the comments. This is what it's like

YouTube - Sleep Paralysis / OBE

Probably 30.

End of discussion

Wow.
I think dakotahnok stated it perfectly when he said, and repeated, that SP is UNIQUELY DIFFERENT for EVERYONE. Who are you Jay to discredit anyone else's experience?

You refer to all the people who had a negative experience with SP. Did you stop to ask yourself why? I bet 9 out of 10 of those very people didn't know what in the hell was going on when it happened. I happen to be one of the majority who gets SP spontaneously and frequently. I happen to be one of the majority who AT FIRST felt it was a terrible, negative experience. But I am more experienced now and I know that it can't hurt or injure me and so I'm over the fear associated with SP. Ok, the voices I hear sometimes freak me out still... but I think that's to be expected.

I can't believe you just come on here and begin your rant claiming that because other people's experiences are different from your own they aren't "correct" or "right" or "experienced" or "knowledgeable." How dare you! Hmph.

As far as my SP is concerned. It ALWAYS involves (edited from involved/past tense to involves) vibrations. That is the only one stable thing.

I also frequently hear ringing or buzzing in my ears. I would say at least 85% of the time during SP I hear voices - not always clearly, often muffled. I have felt strange creatures straddle my back and clamp down tighter each time I got more fearful and scared. I have felt someone or something pinch me during SP, play with my hair, breath heavily (heard as well as felt) on my face. I have felt like I was sinking into my bed - it's a feeling as though you are SUPER-DUPER BEYOND WORDS RELAXED HEAD TO TOE that you just become one with your bed and sink in. SP has lead me to OBE on at least 20 occasions, maybe more.

Now are you going to try to tell me that I'm also not correct in my experiences? Go ahead. I know what I know. And I can respect your experience, can you respect mine? :panic:

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Originally Posted by scaredsleeper

Wow.
I think dakotahnok stated it perfectly when he said, and repeated, that SP is UNIQUELY DIFFERENT for EVERYONE. Who are you Jay to discredit anyone else's experience?

You refer to all the people who had a negative experience with SP. Did you stop to ask yourself why? I bet 9 out of 10 of those very people didn't know what in the hell was going on when it happened. I happen to be one of the majority who gets SP spontaneously and frequently. I happen to be one of the majority who AT FIRST felt it was a terrible, negative experience. But I am more experienced now and I know that it can't hurt or injure me and so I'm over the fear associated with SP. Ok, the voices I hear sometimes freak me out still... but I think that's to be expected.

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I mentioned the people who have negative experiences (like when I referred to yahoo answers) because most people do have negative experiences. I said after that that not all people do. Sometimes the terrible things can be easiest to recall in detail. I don't disagree with you, the people who fear it don't know exactly what it is.

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I can't believe you just come on here and begin your rant claiming that because other people's experiences are different from your own they aren't "correct" or "right" or "experienced" or "knowledgeable." How dare you! Hmph.

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His experience wasn't different from my own. I had the same things he described happen to me on multiple occasions, but none were sleep paralysis.

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Originally Posted by scaredsleeper

As far as my SP is concerned. It ALWAYS involves (edited from involved/past tense to involves) vibrations. That is the only one stable thing.

I also frequently hear ringing or buzzing in my ears. I would say at least 85% of the time during SP I hear voices - not always clearly, often muffled. I have felt strange creatures straddle my back and clamp down tighter each time I got more fearful and scared. I have felt someone or something pinch me during SP, play with my hair, breath heavily (heard as well as felt) on my face. I have felt like I was sinking into my bed - it's a feeling as though you are SUPER-DUPER BEYOND WORDS RELAXED HEAD TO TOE that you just become one with your bed and sink in. SP has lead me to OBE on at least 20 occasions, maybe more.

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I'm very glad you mentioned this. This is genuine sleep paralysis. Separation from sleep paralysis to an OBE/lucid dream should be a snap. But can I ask, are you stressed out/ do you take naps often?

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Now are you going to try to tell me that I'm also not correct in my experiences? Go ahead. I know what I know. And I can respect your experience, can you respect mine? :panic:

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Of course. Because you experienced sleep paralysis

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Who are you Jay to discredit anyone else's experience?

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No one should give credit where it's not due!

Okay, you asked about stress-levels. Do you mean currently or do you mean when the SP and OBE's began?

I was about 20 years old when the began and am 34 now so it's been a LONG time. I actually used to feel myself peel out of my body - freaky. Now I just end up out after the SP sets in. Sometimes, actually MOST OF THE TIME, I'm not even sure if I'm "REALLY" out or if it's just a different kind of awakening... like a separation between my body and brain, like it's just a heightened awareness/consciousness. I don't even know if any of that makes sense...

As far as stress goes... who doesn't have stress, really? I'd love to meet someone that is able to keep stress at bay and LEARN FROM THEM. Haha.
Yes, I am stressed. But the past 2 years have been EXTREMELY stressful for anyone who works in public education. They continue to increase class size, lay off teachers, etc. etc. There's an emergency board meeting tonight in fact, they just called it last night. They are discussing eliminating school counselors (sure, we don't have any crazy kids with issues, why not? BLAH), librarians (kids don't need to read at school! new kids don't need to be issued text books. PLEASE), and closing FIVE schools and thus eliminating 5 administrators. They already crammed 25 kids in classes two years ago. This year it increased to 30. I guess next year we're looking at 40? I mean how do you close FIVE schools? You've gotta put the kids somewhere. So yeah, I'd say I'm a tad stressed. LOL.

Have I been overly stressed since the age of 20? No. I loved college. Are you kidding!? Oh to be debt-free, job-free, kid-less, etc. again..... LOL. I really have NO IDEA what started the experiences for me. There was nothing significant going on in my life at the time.

You'd think since it's been 14 years that I would be a pro and have it all figured out, huh? Not the case. The SP and OBE's still happen OUT OF THE BLUE. Totally spontaneous. I have no control over when or where. But the one thing I do KNOW is that the experiences are REAL. The voices I hear are not hallucinations. I am convinced that they are spirits. I have had a shared experience with my husband where there was no way he could have known I was being bothered by a woman at night. I laid there thinking it was made up in my mind, but then he woke up and told me about her! WHOA!! I could NOT have made that up. Awesome validation.

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Originally Posted by Jay12341235

I experience the same things you do. The numbness and vibrations and feeling cold, none are sleep paralysis.

I shouldn't have to explain this, but sleep paralysis is basically being awake during REM atonia (their definition of REM atonia is shotty too). This means that your body is PARALYZED (you don't have urges to move, you CANNOT move) and you will be hallucinating in some way nearly 100 percent of the time (because you are in REM). The second biggest flaw in this guide is the way you instruct people to go about inducing this. Pre sleep is a necessity meaning it is not optional for 99 percent of people who try to achieve sleep paralysis like this, a very large majority of these people will fail. Staying up very late one night, getting up early, excercising during the day, taking a nap between 6 and 9 pm that day, waking up naturally after this nap, and then inducing 1-3 hours afterwords is optimal. If you'd like good instruction on how to achieve the real sleep paralysis, PM me. I've refferenced the video too many times on these forums.

What you're getting is not sleep paralysis, it's what a majority of the people on this site think is sleep paralysis. You should have no trouble at all entering a dream from sleep paralysis because you're already in one. I've experienced everything the OP described and trust me, that's not it.

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If this is true, then what are we getting into? I felt vibrations, heart beat fast, etc.. then what is this supposed to be? Maybe there is just different types of SP? I have actually been in SP, I was stuck inside a tremor of some sort.. not exactly sure because this was long time ago.

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Originally Posted by BloodFury

If this is true, then what are we getting into? I felt vibrations, heart beat fast, etc.. then what is this supposed to be? Maybe there is just different types of SP? I have actually been in SP, I was stuck inside a tremor of some sort.. not exactly sure because this was long time ago.

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I have no idea. I've gotten into the state described many times, and it's pretty much just pointless vibrating. You can get the same feeling by listening to delta-wave binaural beats. I thought I was onto something when I first experienced these but they led to no results.

There may be different types, but the main requirement is paralysis. Ask yourself, could you move if you wanted to?

That is stated perfectly... "It's like being awake during REM..." You mind is fully awake and aware! As I stated before you can even often hear what is REALLY going on in REAL TIME in the ROOM you are in. Like when I heard my alarm clock go off, my husband get up, go downstairs, and come back to tell me to get up.

During SP you have to exert a lot of focus and control to move your physical body. Wiggling my toes and/or fingers can take what feels like minutes sometimes although I must admit I've gotten better at it as the years have gone on... it's my safety net.... I know if I move my body I will snap out of the vibrations and SP or even OBE.

Sometimes you THINK you're not in SP because you can feel yourself moving. Quite confusing sometimes. LOL. Once, for instance, I felt myself rubbing what felt like a rock between my fingers. When I realized I couldn't have been... where would I have gotten it? Why would I have it? I started to realize I was "out of my body." When I snapped back in, I realized that my hand was under the pillow and under my head! It wasn't where I had felt it. I had NOTHING in my hand. Sure felt "REAL."