I once read something about this somewhere, and it definitely sounds like an interesting idea.
Basically, you set many alarms in the morning with 15-30 minute intervals, so that you are awakened by them and slip in and out of REM over and over, and each time you wake up you try to become lucid as you fall back to sleep again - possibly 5 or 6 times each morning.
What do you think of this idea?
Will it make lucidity easier, or will you just become more and more tired each time you wake up?
It may have been something I said. It is probably the easiest way to get DEILDs and really that is the easiest method as far as I am concerned. I just did this two nights in a row and had about 2-3 brief lucids each morning. Luckily my wife goes to work before me, and I spend a lot of time in a hotel. Just use a snooze alarm. I use an I-phone and set it for as far after bedtime as I can and still have 2 hours to DEILD. If I can get away with 9 hours sleep, I set the first alarm for 7 hours after bedtime. I like to use 30 minute intervals if I am in high lucidity phase. That is because I get lucid often enough this way, that a shorter snooze would interrupt some epic LDs. If I am in a dry spell I will set it for 15 minutes. That way I can try DEILD 7 times, and usually catch some lucidity somewhere in there.
Great trick! Every one try it out ASAP unless you already have played with it.
I tried this last night, staring 3 hours after I fell asleep and had 3 alarms about 30-45 minutes apart. My recall was increased and I think it is great for helping generate activity in the frontal lobe (logical area) of the brain which greatly helps with lucidity.
I've tried this some time ago, and unfortunatelly it doesn't work for me... If the amount of sleep before the alarm is enough for me, I just can't fall asleep again, and if it's not enough, I turn off the alarm and immediatelly fall asleep. Any ideas how could I improve this method?
This wbtb alarm technique is the method I use to attempt to induce lucid dreams each and every night. Similar to what sivason explained I use an alarm that goes off (on my smartphone using Alarm Clock Xtreme for android users) every 30min after about 3 hours of sleep until I wake up for the day. When the alarm goes off I hit the snooze button and then attempt to WILD and if that doesn't work I can still become lucid through DILDs caused by the failed WILD attempt.
This technique is very hit and miss for me but allows me to have lucid dreams ~2 times a week. I've been tweaking this technique for months and I've been consistently becoming lucid more and more as I do so. Another reason I like this method so much is because it's not dependent on any other practices such as DJ, RCs, ADA, etc. In my opinion I think this is the easiest method to having lucid dreams.
For those who have trouble going back to sleep when awoken from the alarm, just have the phone in bed WITH you so that when it goes off all you need to do is press the big snooze button then go back to sleep. I've noticed that if I try too hard to WILD it makes it more difficult for me to fall back asleep so I've learned overtime how much effort to give based on how I feel. I'm liking this thread and hope we can continue to discuss this method :D.
I know what you mean, you need to experiment with your timings and find a time that's right in the middle such that you're not too tired or too awake. I suggest using an alarm app on your smartphone (for android users I suggest either Alarm Clock Xtreme or Alarm Clock Plus)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chihiro
Alarm clock extreme works very well. Would highly recommend. I set it around 4 hours after I go to sleep. Have around 5 alarms that will go off increasingly louder for 5 seconds. Then it cuts off. Usually 30 minutes inbetween each alarm. Amazing lucidity. Seriously some of the best lucid dreams I've ever had.
Wow we use the same method almost to the dot (Alarm Clock Xtreme, alarms 3-4 hours after going to sleep, 30min between alarms :shock:). You however use autosnooze which is something I don't but want to use. My phone doesn't seem to get loud enough for the auto snooze to wake me up reliably and what usually happens is I'll sleep right through it. Do you happen to be a light sleeper?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmanjohn
My I-phone has a shake to snooze setting. I just have to pick it up and move it a bit to shut it off. It forces me to wake up a little, but not too much.
I'm not really a light sleeper, but my phone gets really loud. So the first couple seconds it goes off I don't hear it, but by the end it's almost too loud. I train myself to not move to the sound of it when it wakes me up. Then I just sit there and fall into a dream. So fun to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scizorist
May I ask what type of phone do you have? I have a Galaxy S2 SGH-T989 and while the alarm does get loud, it's just not loud enough to wake me up reliably if I set it to auto snooze itself which is why I have to manually snooze because at times I'll just sleep through the alarm for a few minutes. I plan on buying an external speaker to connect the phone to at night so that the alarm will be louder as it will be coming from two sources, hopefully that will solve the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmanjohn
I am also a fan of this method and have posted many times about this. It works very well, specially with long sleep because the chance of the alarm going off when we are dreaming is higher, as you all know. It is not very effective if i sleep less than 9 hours. In my last dj entry, i had an interesting deild marathon.
Itīs very nice to see so many people using this method, and i hope many more will try it. LDing is not difficult, itīs not about enlightened conscious people, and this is a good reminder. This and many children i know :). I still suck for trying too hard, sometimes.
I use app Timmers4me ( i think its better than those already described) ; after 6h30 sleep; every 15 min, 2 seconds long, auto-snooze; somewhat loud volume.
I only use it when i know i can sleep for a good time.maybe 3 times a week. It has worked 66% of attempts.
Hello, i am beginner i read this post and found it very atractive and something that might help me achieve more lucid dreams and i want to try it. But there is something that bothers me. I read that DEILD is from same family as the WILD which sometimes or most of the times starts with FA. Since this is a DEILD method and requers to be still and not open your eyes when you wake up, how do you check if you are in a FA? What reality check can be used for this so it will not ruin DEILD attempts? I trained myself to do nose plug RC every time i wake up or feel myself in bed after going to sleep, which thankfully to this i was able to catch FA overtime. But since i have to move my hand plug my nose and put my focus and awareness on my breathing it bothers me that this might be a problem or ruin the conditions required for this DEILD method and reduce my chances to have one.
This method is a little different. I have to move one arm to shake my phone. If the scene changes from your bed then you are safe to RC however you want. If you think you maybe be dreaming of being in bed try looking around without moving. Only in a dream can you examine your room without opening your eyes or moving your head.
I do this without alarms. It was a youtube video I watched. The problem with an alarm that isn't natural can wake you up in a lucid dream.
I get woken from many LDs by the next alarm, but that is ok with me. I figure if the method helped me get lucid, it is not so bad that it also interrupted one.
Yes Sivason, we just have to be grateful ! But even so, if we are still sleepy, itīs possible to DEILD again.
I've never lucid yet. But i'm practicing dream recall and jounalling. You said 30 minutes in between.. My question is how do you even go back to bed in 30 minutes and i'm guessing that means your sleep periods are small.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmanjohn
I'm having problems seeing how you go back to sleep so quickly. In my cause i do 1:30 , 3:00, 4:30
and everytime i get up and want to go back to bed. it's hard. takes me alot of minutes,.. when i wake up at 1:30 i try and try to go back to bed and at 2:20 i'm still awake. So i usually give up on the 3:00 alarm cause i havent' even succeeded at sleep.
Anyways, you seem to be a pro. How do you go back to sleep so quickly?
I know you were not asking me, but it must be something specific to each person. In my case after hitting snooze I am back asleep within a minute or two. Being able to relax your mind probably helps too.Quote:
Originally Posted by voByJunior2013
I used to do that about 10 years ago. I would set the alarm to first go off after 5 hours of sleep, because I figured that after that my body would be done repairing itself mostly. Then I'd set it to go off every hour until I get up. Was very useful back then because I couldn't get very long LDs. But now the alarm can disturb me while I'm LDing so I don't do it anymore.
I used to love doing it though! pretty much guaranteed lucidity. Now I just give strong intent to lucid dream before I fall asleep.
I tried this method 2 times, i know this might not be enough for me to expect results but i noticed when i did this i was not able to remember single dream or fragment of what i was dreaming those nights. This is strange because i usually remember 2-5 dreams a night.
What i did i set my alarms after 5-6 hours of sleep 20 mins interwals, 7 seconds alarm duration, when alarm wakes me, first thing i trained myself i will slowly nose plug to check if i am in a FA, then i will go back to sleep and try to remember my last dream scene or anything i can and then i will fall asleep or find myself into a dream non lucid like usual till next alarm and so on.
Since that was my experence I came up with a thought that i might be doing something wrong. How this method actually works? What are the steps/actions you perform during this?
7 seconds is too much. 2 seconds, high volume, works for me. It should stop itself ( autosnooze ). You should not move too much and apply your technique for DEILD or OBE, or just wait for a lucky DILD. Check this app: timmers4me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imaginary
I got me 3 and 5 seconds too, but the issues is that i don't hear those alarms every time they ring except i max volume them and that cause me issues because too high volume kinda wakes me too much. I got this one 7 seconds medium volume which i found it quite confortable and they all stop after their time with autosnooze.
I don't move too much, as i said previously the only effective way i know for now that i know it works for me to check and catch FA is the nose plug and thats the only movement i will do most of the time.
And about the techniques the one i try to apply is to remember the dream i had if i can and try to visualize it like the most tutorials state for DEILD and they say it's easier like that for begginers and even the experienced ones. OBE? Sorry but i don't get you in here? What do you mean by OBE?
What kind of alarm app are you guys using? Specially iPhone users. I really want an auto-snooze alarm app, where I don't need too touch the device to turn it off. Do any of you know such an iPhone app?
I've watched a video on a technique where it said in theory when you repeat something like this is gave you more of a chance to reach it (lucidity). In this video it was a WILD, it stated that there were impulses that your mind sent to your body to check if you're awake (Clearing throat, turning over, moving body etc.) and if you reached a certain limit and then gave in to the impulse, the next time you attempted it (literally straight after) your body would steepen the climb to falling sleep (you'd reach it quicker). After a certain amount of tries you were 'sling-shotted' into lucidity much quicker than normal (In the WILD example). So perhaps the same principles apply here.