Setting multiple alarms one after another in the mornings = easy lucidity?

First of all - thank you fogelbise for linking me up in here!
And thank you for this whole thread!!

I will try this and report. Latest next after next night.
It really sounds great - and it comes with such a cool collection of supporters, too..;)
And I had one DEILD from LD to LD - that really seemed easy - but it was from lucidity..

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Originally Posted by voByJunior2013

I've never lucid yet. But i'm practicing dream recall and jounalling. You said 30 minutes in between.. My question is how do you even go back to bed in 30 minutes and i'm guessing that means your sleep periods are small.

I'm having problems seeing how you go back to sleep so quickly. In my cause i do 1:30 , 3:00, 4:30
and everytime i get up and want to go back to bed. it's hard. takes me alot of minutes,..

when i wake up at 1:30 i try and try to go back to bed and at 2:20 i'm still awake.
So i usually give up on the 3:00 alarm cause i havent' even succeeded at sleep.

Anyways, you seem to be a pro. How do you go back to sleep so quickly?

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As you have worded it - I was wondering, if you might understand this as a WakeBackToBed (WBTB) method, where you set your alarm - get out of bed and try to wake yourself up a bit - if not too much - and then go back to bed.
But maybe you meant sleep, and you don´t get up, or move and then can´t sleep anyway..?
If so - I can not help - but wish good luck with it! :)

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Originally Posted by VagalTone

7 seconds is too much. 2 seconds, high volume, works for me. It should stop itself ( autosnooze ). You should not move too much and apply your technique for DEILD or OBE, or just wait for a lucky DILD. Check this app: timers4me.

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I was so free as to take out an "m" above - I managed to copy-paste into googlivion..:roll:
Will see to install it and check, how I like your settings.
Thanks for the specific tips!


Oh - and for me - OBE is an Out of Body Experience.
Not the same as AP (Astral Projectio n)
An experience is something subjective - and not something factual.

Spoiler for OBEs and UFOs and what I think on the terms - off topic..:

Even without personal experience of it - not "even" a regular WILD without these special effects - I find it very logical, that there are so many reports of a phenomenon like this.

You lie awake in your bed - you transit into a dream while still being awake - so what do you expect as direct transit - maybe that is easiest for your brain to conjure up?
Or else maybe something incubated ..

And where from would I form a body, when there is already one there?
And why not by climbing out with a body, which feels a little bit less substantial - but on the other hand very realistic.
Wouldn´t your own body as a matrix to spawn your imaginary, your dream-body from - be the obvious choice?
Making it realistic from the get-go?

So - this has a name and is common - add in mysticism - and then it is called AP (Astral Projectio n) - and there ends rationality, in my view.
It is possible to split the body-scheme of people by "tricking the brain" while they are fully awake by the way.

OBE is a bit like UFO - they are per se not loaded - but unfortunately secondarily.
There are many unidentified things and beings flying about in plain reality - so - why not call them that.

Alien spacecraft is loaded though - and funnily enough not even falling under UFO by means of identification.
Either it is one - which I unluckily not expect - or people think it´s one.


So I also go about it by guessing, what somebody in some context might mean with either OBE or UFO - and ask, if I want to be sure ..

Oh StephL, sorry, it is timers not timmers. That may have caused some wasted time :shock:

If you try this deild alarm stuff, you may get surprised with its effectiveness and customization flexibility. But be ready to hear some complaints:cheeky:

The online downside of this method is the annoyance of the sound, largely surpassed by the joy of effortless lucidity.

Edit: my new iPad is messing my writing, not online but only.

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Originally Posted by VagalTone

Oh StephL, sorry, it is timers not timmers. That may have caused some wasted time :shock:

If you try this deild alarm stuff, you may get surprised with its effectiveness and customization flexibility. But be ready to hear some complaints:cheeky:

The online downside of this method is the annoyance of the sound, largely surpassed by the joy of effortless lucidity.

Edit: my new iPad is messing my writing, not online but only.

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Hehe - soz and thanks..
I think, if these alarms are really short and I do not have to get and stay up - that could result in getting rid of my worst enemy:
Grumpiness and missing motivation, when the time has come.
When I give it one more try, when it is too late for that - I am again grumpy - fall asleep and dream something..
And in the end, I get up much too late - which doesn´t feel good - at least not long-term.

I´ll see and install and test tonight - latest night after!
Last night were 1.5 a half-hearted WBTB SSILD tries - with going to bed too late and lala..

Problem: For I-Phone, this timer4you app is not available - neither the Alarm-Clock X-treme stuff.
I have no android - and my husband´s, which I had in mind is out of order.

Do you or anybody have a tip, which is the best I-Phone app around?
Sivason - your shake alarm - could you please tell me it´s name?

I have no clue, i use android, but i can tell you that installing and experimenting apps was the way i choose mine. Simply reading the description was not very, if at all, accurate.

Edit: just dont try too much the expensive ones ;)

Hach - this seems like something I will not manage for tonight - but I try and throw myself at it tomorrow!
Thanks once more!

Edit: Now is podcast-time!!

This is a technique I use personally use I now set an alarm to wake me up during REM stage and another 15 minutes after I drift back off.

80% successful on each occassion I do it.

There's a study mentioned in this book:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1166/dreamkn.jpg

That talks how awakening patients during REM increases the amount of REM periods they have during the night. Here's an excerpt:

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"Also,when you interrupt REM, pressure builds up for the brain to make more and more attempts to get into REM—in our study we see them go from an average of three REM periods of an average of five per night.

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I actually searched for this study in order to partially explain a certain person's success at lucid dreaming some time ago, remember BB :)?

There's clearly something to this method that can be used to induce lucid dreams. I'd guess the reason it works so well it's because since you're doing multiple alarms in the 2nd half of your sleep period, makes you much more likely to catch yourself in REM, which at each consecutive attempt puts you more and more in rebound, thus increasing (don't know by how much) your chances of performing an WILD...

(This would have relevant consequences for the best way to perform WBTB. The best option would surely be a WBTB of micro duration, performed several times during the night, like people like VagalTone have been doing).

PS: someone should make a thread on research so we could test this together xD

Interesting Zoth ! i wonder if this rebound effect applies to such micro awakenings, and that would be a good experiment for sure.

But with this alarm DEILD technique, it is mostly ( hopefully ) an unnoticeable REM interruption, enough to arouse some awareness. Many times i go from dreaming to hypnagogia ( if i don´t wake up ) and then dream again, so it´s not complete awakening. It really feels like a very quick DEILD, and not much like WILD.

Now, as you suggest, it would be interesting perhaps to prolong the alarm ringing time so as to wake up fully from REM. But that would be a more of a micro WILD and interesting because of the rebound potential.

The alarm I use is simple called Alarm Clock. I think it came installed on i-phone. I actually do this as a mini WBTB. I must wake up enough to reach over and shake the phone. I like this method and choose it rather than an auto-snooze. I am awake for perhaps 1 minute. I choose a non-jarring alarm tone. They have many choices and I used to do birds, until it started upsetting my wife. She was getting trained to wake up every time she heard birds. Now I use some noise a bit like the X-files music. I do wake, and I do move, just not much. Then I do a WILD, but it is far more like DEILD than a traditional WILD.

The auto-snooze has always worked for me. With the alarm-clock extreme I set it for 5 seconds where it gradually gets louder. Something that helps generally is to practice. So whenever you have some time to kill set your alarm to go off every minute for the next 5 minutes and auto snooze. Then train yourself not to move, and to not get excited when it happens. Just lay with it going off and put the idea in your head that you won't move and will stay calm. I think it's called a mantra. Anyway that's what I've done. And although I just recently started doing it again, when I used to do it a lot it would bring on lucid dreams almost every night. And some nights I'd have 5 lucids.

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Originally Posted by jmanjohn

The auto-snooze has always worked for me. With the alarm-clock extreme I set it for 5 seconds where it gradually gets louder. Something that helps generally is to practice. So whenever you have some time to kill set your alarm to go off every minute for the next 5 minutes and auto snooze. Then train yourself not to move, and to not get excited when it happens. Just lay with it going off and put the idea in your head that you won't move and will stay calm. I think it's called a mantra. Anyway that's what I've done. And although I just recently started doing it again, when I used to do it a lot it would bring on lucid dreams almost every night. And some nights I'd have 5 lucids.

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Thanks, you could have told us long time ago :)

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Originally Posted by VagalTone

Thanks, you could have told us long time ago :)

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I don't come on dreamviews every day. I've been trying to more lately, but it's difficult with busy schedule. And aside from DILD's, this is my second most area of expertise.

I have experimented with this on a few occasions after seeing this thread and had a couple of successes. If you do this for many mornings in a row, do you have to change it up to keep it working? In other words, do you start to ignore the alarms consciously or subconsciously?

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Originally Posted by fogelbise

I have experimented with this on a few occasions after seeing this thread and had a couple of successes. If you do this for many mornings in a row, do you have to change it up to keep it working? In other words, do you start to ignore the alarms consciously or subconsciously?

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No, it's best not to change it too often. The best thing is to try to have a good regular sleep schedule, so that the sound has the same effect on your dreaming mind. Once you find a setting that works, you just have to figure out the best sleep schedule ( that includes wbtb if you like ) and try to do the same rituals during the day and night.

I have used this method many times and it still helps a lot, either deilding or dilding. In fact, it works even better ;)

Training to the alarm in the waking state - now that sounds genial!

I've heard of this before although I tend to set one alarm. Then I stay up for about 15 minutes, and after I go back to sleep.

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Originally Posted by StephL

Problem: For I-Phone, this timer4you app is not available - neither the Alarm-Clock X-treme stuff.
I have no android - and my husband´s, which I had in mind is out of order.

Do you or anybody have a tip, which is the best I-Phone app around?
Sivason - your shake alarm - could you please tell me it´s name?

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A little trick I use for the iPhone is to use the headphones that come with the iPhone 5 and then set the iPhone alarm to what ever time you want. Go to sleep with the volume Control (which is attached to the headphones) in your hands and when the alarm goes off slightly press the volume control to stop the alarm. This way you don't need to move to turn the alarm off. I've had many LD's doing it this way

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Originally Posted by StephL

Problem: For I-Phone, this timer4you app is not available - neither the Alarm-Clock X-treme stuff.
I have no android - and my husband´s, which I had in mind is out of order.

Do you or anybody have a tip, which is the best I-Phone app around?
Sivason - your shake alarm - could you please tell me it´s name?

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I looked around and found an app called Alarm Clock Bud. It seems pretty good (multiple alarms, autosnooze, shake to turn off/snooze/etc). I won't know for sure until I try it out, though.

For some reason, the free version doesn't show up on google, but if you go through iTunes or the app store, you can find it.

For iphone users:

Get this app. It's the best one for multiple alarms not only because you dictate easily the time between them, but it also shuts off by itself, and the ringtones it has are very useful (some of them so smooth that I have to use 2 of them with a difference of 1-2 seconds). There's also a free version, but if you got a device with jailbreak, you should be able to get chronology without much issues (just google for the ipa file).

This is the best alarm I have found for this:

Spoiler for alarm:

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/...02679813_n.jpg

Thank you lots - will check these all out!
Weell - except the baby - that not - none available - and borrowing one for LD is taking it too far..hehe.

This works for me quite well, almost every time i do it, it induces a ld. for some reason it only works on weekends though.

Soo - not sure, if I followed your link, Zoth - but I did follow a lot of links and searched and got more and more frustrated - until finally - benni posted this in http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...me-ld-god.html

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Originally Posted by benni

^^ well.... I am very sorry! :( I own three alarm clock apps and apparently I linked you the wrong one! Now this is the one that has got an Autosnooze function: https://itunes.apple.com/nz/app/alar...452111430?mt=8 In the description it says "- Auto-snooze: If your device is far from you, you can set an auto-snooze option. Your alarm will snooze after a defined time and you can also set how many times it will auto-snooze.".... Apparently this app costs 1.29$.

I am really sorry for this inconvenience! I have tried three alarm clocks and apparently I just gave you the wrong name. But now I guarantee you that this app does have the autosnooze function :)

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I have it now - put it to go off for 5 sec (that`s minimum for that) and every half hour (that is maximum for that) - six times - but starting after 5 h of sleep - might have been too late - the first one caught me in a natural awakening phase.
And I seem to remember, that all other alarms found me awake too - this can't really be - because I have been sleeping after the first one.
So - don't really know, what happened - unfortunately.
I had a long intense and vivid and nice normal dream after the last alarm...:roll:

Na well - this was first testing night - went to bed very late and after having my mates over for darts - so all a bit chaotic maybe.
Will have to play with it...
Maybe take one for a WILD attempt, if the first so and so many didn't bring me there..?
But it took me ages now to find the correct alarm clock - seems for Android it is a bit better - but not much..

Steph:
Maybe you are naturally waking up before the alarm bcz of your intention to wake from the alarm. That is a good thing, since you can use it to do a Deild easilly, with another intention to not move. Waking naturally is always better, even if you have a smooth alarm, but use the alarm, cuz you may not wake up naturally several times a night. Well, this may not be the case though.

Got any free app for Nokia E series?

Try repeating a phrase in your mind or a word as soon as the alarm wakes you. This will help bring a tiny bit of waking awareness back past the curtain of sleep. I use something like "Thank you for this dream, My Lord, thank you for this dream." I also feel a double meaning with this one, as in I am also being thankful for this life (which is a dream too.) Of course that is my own phrase and your's need not be so prayer like. It could be simple, such as, "A dream, a dream, I am about to dream." Do not focus on the words in a way that will prevent sleep, instead they are just a light care free back ground thing.
Just a variation, not needed, but I find it helpful.