Finally Entering

Hey everybody, I decided to take a nap yesterday and try the counting WILD technique. After half an hour or so I entered SP and then shortly after the blackness behind my eyes turned three dimensional, I felt I was being absorbed by it. I believe I had just entered the hypnagogic state. I tried picturing a scene but just made the whole thing collapse with my forcefulness and anxiousness. Can anyone give me a detailed tutorial on entering an LD from the hyp. state? Thanks a lot to any feedback, it will be used and appreciated!

you dont have to do "anything" when you concentrate yourself on something you wake up again and therefore fail your attempt. you just have to stay aware and just notice but not concentrate on hypagonia or bodysensations. just wait up and stay mindful. soon the hypagonia gets more detailed and forms into a dream. then at some point when everything is like a dream and detailed you might consider to enter into the scene but again in a passive way like getting absorbed as in an active concentrated way (what would lead again to get more wakeful) but i think that even if you dont do anything and just "wait" you will land in a dream sooner or later.
when you are experienced in WILDS and in transitions you can start playing around to enter a desired dreamscene or visualize something for example but that is advanced and not even necessary because once in a dream you can change the dreamscene anyway

If you are in the right state of mind for something, your reality will quickly follow.

And that is what's paradoxical for the WILD, we want to do the action that generates the state of mind that starts the dreaming process.

But that very action is actually NON-action. Doing nothing consciously is what puts you in that state of mind. We do this unconsciously every night, but if we want to lucid dream we have to learn to do this consciously. And to sleep consciously is basically to do nothing and just staying aware. Simple but not easy...

However, during the later stages of the night, we can use the opportunity window of our primed mind to enter a dream.

When I practised DEILD it could look like this:

Waking up and feeling that my awareness is different and my thoughts felt vivid and more tangible somehow. Then I just imagine a scenario and suddenly I realize that I can actually see it with my own eyes and I "merge" into it. In this case it's just good timing, but we want to learn how to make it more consistent.

It's our desire to be in control of this dream attraction process, but it can't be forced... You can only focus on learning the process of how to become the kind of person that dreams naturally are attracted to. From this experience you learned that "forcefulness and anxiousness" puts off the dream big time.

Think of your mind and dreams as a lady. ;)

Don't try to learn what they "think", learn what needs to be changed about yourself.

Dom343, when doing a WILD you should basically ignore the HH and the REM atonia / SP. Let these things happen if they appear but don't focus on them - just keep reaffirming that it's a dream and count or just wait until a real dream shows up. Another thing that usually happens is that "pre-dreams" appear - these are short scene of dream, but don't try to get active within them - just watch them passively, they'll feel like watching a movie, like you aren't really in that reality. You should get active only when the real dream comes - and it will be obvious when it will come - it will feel totally real, like you're completely immersed in it. Essentially wait until you pop up in a scene that feels 100% real. Don't focus on HH or REM atonia - just wait them out by watching the pre-dreams passively and by counting and mentally reaffirming "I'm dreaming" (or something similar to maintain your awareness).

Thank you all very much, it's well appreciated