WBTB does it again

Last night(this morning) is my first attempt in awhile with the WBTB method, and once again it worked beautifully. I'm constantly amazed at how well this method works. My success rate is almost 100%. I can honestly only rememeber a handfull of times it didnt work.

I went to sleep at 11:00pm. I woke up at 4:00 and layed in bed til 4:15 starring up into darkness. I got up went on DV for a minute and then turned the computer off. I paced in the darkness for 30 minutes just getting a feel of the physical world, so I could take that with me to my dream. I looked out the window and saw a large evergreen tree blowing in the wind. It looked quite magical so I did a nose/breathing reality check. I was still awake. I paced around some more. And felt like i was dreaming again....it feels wierd walking around in the darkness on little sleep.....I flipped a light switch and it worked, and flipped it off right away. After 30 minutes passed I decided it was time to go to sleep. I layed down on my side and very quickly began seeing HI. Strangely enough I was seeing the DV site scrolling endlessly, and controlling it a bit. I started walking around this mental space, amazed at how quickly it was working(I was not dreaming yet...just playing around with my HI), but I lost focus and rolled to my other side...my mind wandered and I caught it wandering and kept thinking about what I was going to do when I got into my dream. Well, eventually my mind wandered again and I entered a dream. I dont remember this dream too well, but about 20 minutes into it I realized I was dreaming and had a false awakening. Out of practice as I am, I didnt do a Reality check, but still managed to quickly realize I was still dreaming. Then I did just what i planned. I decided not to do anything crazy, but just to get my dream legs back and explore my dream world. I havent been lucid dreaming for a few months, so I didnt want to try anything crazy. I went over the basics. I did some dream spinning and actually spun for at least a full minute. I teleported nicely to the top of a building. I opened a door and this Taiwaneese man I work with was there, and I started fighting him kung fu style. It wasnt a fair fight, I did some fancy moves and kicked him back where he came from. I flew around a bit from building to building and just had a great time exploring. Lucid time was about 20 minutes.

I have a four day weekend so I plan on doing this some more. Next time I will stay up for 45 minutes to an hour. I think with only a half an hour my REM didnt come quite so easily as it has in the past.

Anyone who hasnt had any, or many lucid dreams, I have to plug the WBTB method. Of course the ultimate goal is not needing to do this, but as a result, I have my most vivid, life-like, and longest lucid dreams. And it's nice to be able to plan a lucid dream.

EDIT:I just remembered two things to add. I was running around sluggishly, like a human does, and realized I didnt have to. So I learned how to walk hyper fast. I didnt even need ot run. Like Flash Gordon or something. Also I made good use of shouting commands to keep my dream going. Everything was getting dark and I shouted "Get brighter! Get Brighter!" and it worked perfectly.

Having read this, I am, like, so going to have an LD tonight!

I'll let you know if it works out.

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kool. i'll try it along with putting on that mp3 file thtas been floating about around here at like 4 in the morning.

I'm going to try the WBTB method tonight, the first lucid dream I had was a result of WBTB, but I have never tried walking about so I will aslo try that. Wish me luck! :D

I just got back from LaBerge's dream camp a few days ago and this is exactly the technique he had us practicing while we were there. Unfortunately for me, getting up around 4am seems to be a bit too late for me - I usually can't get back to sleep.

If any of you have this problem, try getting up a little earlier, like maybe 3am. Of course, a lot of this has to do with the time you go to bed and wake up. If you go to bed late and WBTB early (like between 2-3am), you won't catch the extended REM periods untill later in the morning. But, at least you will have more time to fall asleep - and you can't dream without sleeping! :D

If you sleep for only 4 hours its best to stay awake for 90 minutes before going back to sleep. If you sleep 6 hours its best to stay awake for only a half hour. And 5 hours, I think an hours the best. The key is timing it so your REM cycle is in full gear when you go to sleep again. And that it's one of the longest REM cycles of the night.

Hey,

Yeah I have had great success with the WBTB method. It's kind of hard to do during the work week though so I'm only able to use it on the weekends. When I really buckle down and try to use it I have over a 50% success rate I believe.

Nick

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Originally posted by Wezel
Having read this, I am, like, so going to have an LD tonight!

I'll let you know if it works out.

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I tried it, and I didn't succeed. I blame myself. Better luck next time... :|

this time im actually gonna do it :P . im gonna try it in combination with a WILD like you suggested in a different thread. cant remember which one . . .well anyways im gonna do it so wish me luck!

hey it's great to actually hear from someone that's had some success in this thread, it does a lot to motivate others... including me haha. My trouble is that when I do WBTB I try it once with no success and then give up... and sometimes it leaves me a little groggy, but that's no excuse. I guess I'll start trying it seriously this week and see how it goes.

Roller I agree.

Except my troubles is I can't keep myself up, or motivate myself to get up at 4-6am. I LOVE sleeping. It's hard.

Had a minor succes last night with WBTB, lucid for 25 secs or so.
I woke up after 3 hours of sleep, and was really tired and wanted to go for WILD instead. but since i havent given WBTB a shot for so long i thought it would be a waste if i didnt do it. So i dragged myself out of bed.. walked around a bit and read the forums. Back to bed and sleep, and a bit later in the dream i realized i was dreaming.

Gonna do it again tonight

I really have to take my hat off to the WBTB method. After a long dry spell (I went about 3 months with only 1 LD! The pain...) I did WBTB properly for the first time last night and had a long, vivid lucid dream. I have been very happy about it all day. I woke up after 6 hours of sleep, got on the computer (which is now in my room), and went on DV for half an hour while listening to a CD which is conveniently half an hour long, and somewhat strange and dreamlike (Ego Tripping at the Gates of Hell, if you must know). Then I went back to bed and said some affirmations. It worked brilliantly. I am now planning to do this as often as I can and I urge anyone having trouble LDing to try it.

EDIT: It's now two days later and I had another one. That's two in three days (66% success). I'm loving this!

Would it be a bad idea to try WBTB on a night when I have to get up early the next morning? Do you wake up feeling tired the next day?

funny you ask. Im wondering the same thing. I work at 6am monday through friday. Ive only tried once. This week actually, and it didnt work.(excluding brief lucidity that went nowhere) But I think the key is to go to sleep pretty early. Im going to try again tonight. But Im going to bed in 30 minutes. thats 8:30 here. So Ill wake at 1:30 and stay up and hour and go to sleep at 2:30. Its a good idea to have the time you go back to sleep real early in the night. 2:30 is probably perfect. When I tried it last time I went to sleep at 9:30 and woke at 3:30. Which may be good for most but since I needed to get up in an hour and a half it was hard to get back to sleep. Well, it's definately better to do it when you can sleep in and not have to worry about being anywhere. But I intend to get into a routine where I can regularly pull of the WBTB any day of the week. Well, I better get ready for bed now.

lol, I have had a 100% success rate with WBTB... bacause i only tried it once! :D

well, my second WBTB attempt, when I needed to get up early the next day, failed. 0 for 2. I think for me personally it makes a big difference if I have somewhere to be. I think it really helps to be able to sleep in. Im gonna rest from trying today. But trying WBTB is never wasted. I had some crazy dreams ,and some very pleasant ones,and rememebered all of them. But still Im gonna wait til the weekend now. Its not far off anyhow.

So Lord Soth, you gonna try again then?

What technique do you use after going back to bed? I'm starting to get scared of trying to WILD after hearing some people's experiances with it.

scared of WILD? I dont get it. Not many things in this world more exciting and invigorating than a WILD. I have had quite a few WILDs and they are always amazing and positive. Id WILD every day if I could be so blessed.

My "method" when I sleep is hardly a method. I just try and focus on any HI and imagine walkign around a dreamscape. Thats it. Just pretend Im in a lucid dream already. Eventually I drift off, sometimes have a WILD, but usually just drift off. Then I realize soon enough....excluding my last two attempts :P

I am really interested in learning to WILD but everyone says it is the hardest technique to learn. Also I always hear of people getting stuck, or having interesting experiences but never actually getting a lucid dream.

To someone who has attempted WILD a fair amount: Is it worth it to start learning it, or are other simpler techniques better? And when you first start does anything happen, or do you have to attempt it many times before you can even get to the vibrational stage.

Thanks, the main reason that I'm thinking twice about WILDing is the voices people talk about. I just have a feeling that once I hear them, and if the WILD doesn't work, I won't fall asleep that night. :shock:

Ive never gotten a WILD while trying to WILD. Never. but Ive had several. Always when doignt he WBTB. It just happens sometimes.

I think this sounds like a good method. The only problem is that I don't own any books on dreaming and my computer is downstairs and my mom would definitely not approve of me getting on at 4 in the morning to look at a site about dreams.Any suggestions? Wait! I could just think very hardly about what I want to do in my LD and about LDing itself that might work...

Any comments?

you dont need to go on a computer. I wouldnt even reccomend it. Read a dream journal if you have it. Just look around and imagine youre dreaming, Youll figure something out.

I am going to WBTB tonight, I will just read (all 6 pages of) my dream journal. Do some yoga, I don't know yoga so that would be fun.

lolnah.

Actually... what would be good? Bright lights? Do stuff that would slightly wake me up? hardly move? Eat pie? ^___^

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Originally posted by Neruo
Actually... what would be good? Bright lights? Do stuff that would slightly wake me up? hardly move? Eat pie? ^___^

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Good question!


I would like to know too! :lol:

I like to walk around and just imagine its a dream. As for lighting, Im kind of experimenting with that myself. Im thinking turning the lights on might help distinguish wakig time and sleeping time, which helps me go to sleep again. But on the other hand, turning on the lights might wake me uo too much. Theres no one right way to do things. Just have to experiment with it and see what works.

Well, last night I tried WBTB for the very first time. (I've been too lazy to get up in the middle of the night) I went to sleep at 11, got myself up at around 4:30. I surfed DV for a while, glancing over the turorial and this thread, as well as others. I returned to bed at 5:00, and as I was going to sleep, I just told myself that I will realize I'm dreaming, and that I will acheive lucidity. I didn't see any HI or anything, I just fell asleep. The most I remember is waking up in the night, and trying to do a RC, but I could hardly move my arm. It was a struggle to get my hand to my nose, but I after I did, I discovered I was dreaming and could move freely. It worked!
It is odd that all my lucids have began by me being in my bed, and in my room. So it is always in darkness, but this time I remembered to turn on a light. I have a lamp by my bed, (which isn't even plugged in) but in my dream I reached over and grabbed it, and zapped power into it, and it turned on. Sadly, that was about the extent of my powers in this dream. I couldn't do much, infact, my door wouldn't latch closed, and I tried to keep it closed with my powers but it didn't work. I also couldn't spawn any DCs, so I spent the majority of this dream, trying to think of what to do. (guess I should make a list before-hand) But just for fun I broke my window, partly in frustration, and since it didn't matter anyways. I had my mind set on talking to a DC, but I just couldn't make/find one. One funny thing was I thought about the clock RC, and wanted to see what my clock would do, and funny enough, it actually had french instead of numbers. (On je ouvre)
Which really doesn't make much sense, but is funny anyways. It actually means, one(as in oneself, not the number), so "One I open"

Anyways, so much for my dryspell!

In answer to my own question, I tried this on a night when I had to awake at 7, my dream ended at about 630, so I briefly fell back asleep, and had no trouble waking up. I did however feel a little more tired than normal. Not to say it was not worth it, but It will make you a little sleepy in the morning.

Any help with the DC Thing? I tried to just close my eyes and expect it to be there, but it didn't ever work.

lol!

Expecting come hot CHICK? :wink:

Next time open a door. I promise there will be a dream character on the other side waiting for you.

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Originally posted by HoppyPotty
lol!

Expecting come hot CHICK? :wink:

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Pretty much.

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Next time open a door. I promise there will be a dream character on the other side waiting for you.[/b]

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I did open a door, however since I was in an environment I already knew (my house), I already "knew" what was on the other side of my bedroom door. I guess it has to be an "unknown" door. But If I'm in my house, then what do I do? I'm kind of skeptical of dream spinning to change environments and stuff, because I've lost a lot of lucidity in doing this. Especially when I have a high lucidity level, like my recent LD, I hate to lose it. I just remember how real it seemed, in fact, everytime before I would do something stupid, I would do a reality check to confirm I was dreaming. Weird.

My main problem with WBTB which has worked a couple times in the past is that I always get too awake. I used to sleep like 14+ hours a day (before i started LDing) and then I got on Wellbutrin which I've heard increased dream memory which is what got me started on this hobbie. The thing is that Wellbutrin gives a sort of energy boost to help me sleep less and I often do fine with six hours of sleep and when I wake up, and I am just fine and it makes it hard getting back to sleep. Also, what are your views on caffine? I've heard mixed opinions. Some say it wakes your brain up enough to remember dreams, but other say it only inhibits them.

PS: for those of you who love lucid dreaming that would kill for 14+ hours of sleep, I almost never dreamed during that time. Bare in mind I wasn't into lucid dreaming, but I still think if your that tired you won't do as well. Depression caused it for me and when your depressed it makes it hard to care about or do anything.

My WBTB experience this night:

I went to my room at about 10:30pm, Played some guitar, then meditated -lol tried, I never did it before but I did had a nice feeling about it, claming me down.- Then I went to bed. I think I told myself I would remeber my dream to much, becouse when I woke up I remeberd nothing <=/

However, I did woke up, at 5:30am, funny becouse I set my alarm at 5:45. I allso had a FA I Think, that I was putting off my alarm, but I am not sure.

Anyhow, I got up, walked around, went to the toilet. Then walked aroudn in my room. Read my dream Journal. Then went to sleep again after 10 mins in total. I was really tired. I closed my eyes and tried some wild. I once already saw some weird colors, however now I saw nothing.

Only a few times I saw some patters, but I would get exited and they would go away again. =( Anyhow, my mind did get more and more into sleeping. I saw images moving before my eyes, only I saw blurs, I saw less then blurs. I just saw colors for 1 second.

I allso had weird toughts. As weird as dreams, they came to me sort of. I allready was counting '1 I'm dreaming, 2 I'm dreaming ect.'. And while I saw those weird things or had weird thoughts I would lose count. '1 I'am dreaming, 21 I'm dreaming, 1 I'm dreaming'.

However I never had some persistend weird-images-or-thoughts-or-stuf...

However then I heard a hard sound in one ear, it was loud and felt like it was in my ear, It was as if I could feel those drum-thingies in my ears, and feel and hear the blood flowing though them, amplified by 100.

However everytime I heard the sounds (in 1 ear btw I think, weird) I would get exited/focus and would lose it. After 2-3 times I gave up I think, maybe I just went to sleep. I am not sure.

I had/have the feeling I didn't sleep a second more that night. But maybe it just felt like it.. I don't remember anything thats for sure.

But maybe WILD does have some potential for me, since I did hear the sounds. Some one has any adivice how to get it all the way?

I am dissapointed, but allso exited becouse something Did happen =)

great explanation on how a WBTB works :)
This really motivated me, :-P
Good job gameover :goodjob: