My method, not easy, but brings amazing lucids

Ok, I've been working on alot of different experimentation on what causes me to have more lucids. Although I did not record most of my findings here as I found most of them inconclusive, it appears I may have a method that works better then anything else I can think of.

First off, I want to mention side things I use thoughout most of my lucid nights. I take 50mg of b6 once or twice a day, usually a few hours before going to sleep, and sometimes in the morning as well. This hasn't really helped me to induce LDs, but it does seem to make the ones I have much clearer. I would put b6 down as something inconclusive where I've still had very good LDs without it.

Another thing I usually do before going to sleep is have a cup of mint tea. This seems to work wonders on making sleep more smooth for me. Otherwise I just crash and have a sleepless night, but something in the mint helps me to concentrate. Its just good stuff for relaxin and shit.

I decided to give physical exercise a shot and my result at first was very good, but later on I decided that all it does is help my sleep to be shorter and more regenerative. I've seen NO evidence of it helping me to LD.

One of my most promising things is sleeping twice a day, I sleep about 4-5 hours at night, and 3 or so on the couch during the day. This has been hit and miss... but I found that late at night I somethings WILD with ease and almost have OBEs whenever I do this. I still can't say though this method has success all the time.. I'm weighin it at about 30% success right now, and I think its dependent on the next thing I mention.

THIS one i've thought about many times and made note of whether it works or not. I'm seeing between 90-100% success depending on the level its done... so heres what is is.

This is going to sound dumb, and I dismissed it for months. It seems that whenever extreme mental concentration is exercised at any time of the day, at night the most amazing LDs happen. And sleep time is no issue either, i've seen amazing LDs after only 3-4 hours of sleep.

So what sort of cocentration would do this you ask? Well, since i'm a procrastinator, I always push off doing my homework, and I tend to have to do alot of accounting homework which takes a solid 2-3 hours of uninteruppted work. I've had amazing LDs after working till 2-3am and only sleeping till 6am.

So why did I write this just now then if I've noticed the effect? Simple, yesterday I had to take the fucking SAT. I was there from 7:30AM till 12:30PM, I hate it, but it takes up lots of time and concentration. I then went to my cousin's later in the day, chilled there till about 12 midnight. Went home, had a cup of mint tea and some b-6, tryed to get OSx86 up and going again. I then went to sleep and had the most amazing LD I've had this year.

You could be saying that its many other things.. but I don't ever push myself at school, so I wouldn't call that concentrating, however on tests and reports that get overdue, I need to exercise alot more concentration.

I even noticed the night before the SAT when I had studied, I had stronger dreams and semi-lucids then I would normally ever get. I'm assuming that it stimulates brain waves or something and really gets dream activity up.

I hope this thread can be of help. I'll continue experimenting and see if new methods can get this to work even better.

So you rmethod is to drink Mint Tea and do the SATs? :P

Congratulations! It's nice to see that you're experimenting with different methods to induce lucid dreams rather than going by-the-book. It sounds like you're really getting to understand your body and mind.

Different things work better for different people. You have to experiment with different things to find out what works best for you. What works for one person might not work for others.

Thanks for sharing,

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Originally posted by Alucinor Architecton
So you rmethod is to drink Mint Tea and do the SATs? :P

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Whatever works. If it helps me to stand on my head for 2 hours a day, I might give it a shot. :evil:

What about exercising concentration during WBTB? I had an idea a while ago of doing a Sudoku puzzle or something during WBTB time, to put yourself in an alalytical state of mind. I haven't tried it yet. Would that work as well?

hmm interesting. This makes sense though since one of the most popular theories about dreaming and REM sleep is to organize thoughts, memories and information. I too am a procrastinater, lol. I am currently a sophomore in highschool so I guess if I put a lot of effort into my school work I may be able to get a win-win situation where my grades improve and have lucid dreams!!! sweet! I also do programming which can give me something to do on the weekend. I will definately give this a try. I thought about exercising but haven't got around to it and I thought that might help a lot. I do a lot of mental work, but I'll see what happens when I push my self harder than normal and see what the outcome is. Thanks for the advice! Just give me a week or so and I'll report back to this thread. :D

Excellent method Unknown,

I've had similar results a couple of times when my concentration was very strong during the evening and I was able to go to bed concentrating on my third eye, as the concentration carried right over into my dreams and I became aware that I was dreaming.

I think I will experiement with this some more.

Hmm...

Exams start next week.

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Originally posted by Middlerun
What about exercising concentration during WBTB? I had an idea a while ago of doing a Sudoku puzzle or something during WBTB time, to put yourself in an alalytical state of mind. I haven't tried it yet. Would that work as well?

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I can confirm that this indeed does work. I tried playing the game Advance Wars: DS (an awesome strategy game), while WILDing a few times. It did well to get me into that state of mind, however, I didn't succeed at the WILD, nor did I become lucid. I think it was due to being too awake from sleeping for too long, so I could not strike the balance. I'll try this again tonight, though.

I'm definitely gonna giv this a try, have to do lots of math anyway, quite complicated stuff, hard to stay concentrated. So I too am gonna try to push myself real hard in concentrating, do this for a week or so and maybe report back.

This really sounds though as if it could be a very powerful technique, but I think what's keeping most people from doing this is the high amount of effort you would have to put in every day while concentrating. Although, if the amount of effort equals the amount of success with this technique it's definitely worth it AND you get something out of it which benefits you in RL. Great idea Unkown, thx 4 the suggestion

This guy knows what he's talking about. The night after taking the SAT i also has probably the most amazing lucid dream so far. It was incredible. So if you wanna have some awsome lucids, take the SAT.

Interesting. I may try remembering to concentrate on lucid dreaming on days when I have such concentration requirements. Thanks. 8)

I've never actually tried this during WBTB, this is usually before i goto sleep at night. The lucids are deeper when you have them only a few hours into sleep.

I just read your original post now, and you've brought a fact that I didn't even consider into why I had my first LD. I had spent a fair deal of time during that day frustrated and dedicatedly working on getting video and sound in Mac OSX x86. I mean, I was frantically working to get results, and to my dissatisfaction, it didn't work, and I gave up, then some time later went to bed. I've got five school labs due in the next week, so I'm thinking I'm going to do them all TONIGHT, and see if the mental concentration I put towards those help provoke another LD tonight.

Interesting post,
d3monn

Well, I'm writing an evil essay at the moment (yes, right at this moment. I'm not really surfing the internet, I'm a hard worker, honest), which would suggest that I should dream better.

But no, I know I won't. Because it stresses me out, and I know what kind of dreams I get when I'm stressed. I get fast moving jumpy pointless ones that are hard to remember.

What can I do that isn't for school?

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Originally posted by Philman123
This guy knows what he's talking about. The night after taking the SAT i also has probably the most amazing lucid dream so far. It was incredible. So if you wanna have some awsome lucids, take the SAT.

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I would accssiate having an amazing lucid dream after taking exams (as apposed to studying for them) as a dream caused by the relief of stress, rather than the mental stimulation.

But maybe that's just my brain that does that. It hates being made to work.

I've done the B6 thing with mixed results, and also tried melatonin which worked . . . ehhh! . . .OK . . . I suppose . . . but I suspected that there was something better. I did a search on the web about herbs to induce lucidity, and I came up with lycoris radiata, an herbal extract from the Spider Lily flower. The dreams I've been having are nothing short of fantastic, and I'm wondering if anyone else has tried this supplement and what were their experiences. Thanx for the tip about the mint tea; I'll definitely give it a try. :idea:

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Originally posted by Raj
I've done the B6 thing with mixed results, and also tried melatonin which worked . . . ehhh! . . .OK . . . I suppose . . . but I suspected that there was something better. I did a search on the web about herbs to induce lucidity, and I came up with lycoris radiata, an herbal extract from the Spider Lily flower. The dreams I've been having are nothing short of fantastic, and I'm wondering if anyone else has tried this supplement and what were their experiences. Thanx for the tip about the mint tea; I'll definitely give it a try. :idea:

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did you use what is called Galanthamine? i looked up lycoris radiata and found that its extracted into Galanthamine

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Originally posted by Alucinor Architecton
So you rmethod is to drink Mint Tea and do the SATs? :P

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His method is basicly saying that "concentrating in the day will help you concentrate at night."

Very Interesting, concentration on something at night is a lucidity trigger? Has anybody had any LDs from playing chess or videogames or doing artwork before going to bed or during the midsleep break? I recently played some chess during the midsleep break a couple of times but nothing came of it. However, I may give it another try.

I heard from an experienced lucid dreamer that he usually gets up after several hours of sleep and does some work (academic/business/writing), and that it seems to be a major factor. Sounds like a brilliant idea. Go to bed and have a few hours of sleep, then get up and do some creative work, then go back to bed and have a LD.

I like it !!! Let's keep this thread going... :-P

hmmm if this method works for me...looks like I have a nice reason to do some work for once :D

Thinking about it now, though, I do remember having very dream filled nights around exam time.

I think i might have the whole wilding thing skrewed up..right now its 4:50 in monring, i woke up at 4:30 and im gunna be awake untill 5:30 then try and wild. I went to sleep at 10. (Yes thats how desprate i am to go to sleep at 10 on a weeknight to try my third wild) So this is my question...you can WILD but you dont use WBTB? How dose that happen...i thought you could only WILD if / when your body fell asleep it went into REM. --Note i kinda suck at that too...i !CANT! naturally wakeup after dreams and i set my alarm 5.5, 6, and 6.5hrs into sleep EVERYnight and cant ever seem to be woken up from a dream (only happened twcie) And for the past like two weeks my dream recall sucked..the first too weeks i remembered them every morning..pissing me off by the way. Also i want to address the issue of working out it dosnt help lol. I have a bowflex in my room that i workout on everynight before sleep (cept past few night, cuz i broke my fist) no differenace between me then and now. Also for the concentration thing, i am in drafting wich requirs Much concentration (i kno right finally a drafter that works out lol :-D .) And i still have had only had 1random DILD..how do you get LD's just DILD? Or do you wakeup and try MILD? It seems as though MILD is hopless for me sense i cant wake up in REM..so could you please elaborate a little more? Thanks alot --(To author), but if anyone else has a response that would be very nice :-)

Well i accuily woke up after two REM cylces lastnight but that was after i was awake writing a letter to someone for a hour. Maby i need to do WBTB everynight...or just sleep more? i sleep 7hours pernight weekdays. Lastnight i slept 9hours and the two dreams that i wokeup from were after 6olock.

Concentrating through out the day helps? I'll have to remember that, I have my GCSE exams coming up in a few months too. Thanks