I still use reverse blinking all the time, i love it.
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I still use reverse blinking all the time, i love it.
I'm gonna try this during the afternoon.
How do I know when to stop reverse blinking? Does it just happen?
I usually sleep with a mask on, so I'll have to take that off tonight, reverse blinking sounds awesome, entering a state of trance is awesome.
Armin van Buuren is pretty cool too.
wow man this is really mind blowing...literally
Did you try it out and have success? Or is the idea of it mind blowing?
I'm always looking for more people who like this technique. I think it is highly underrated.
yeah and it is very relaxing ...i feel so peacefull and i can see thing vividly...
its amazing:banana:
Thanks, it's going to help me get into SP even faster!
how important is it to be able to focus on somthing. because i look at a plain ceiling. i was doing the Rb for about 10 mins and i started to falter, o got distracted/started to fall asleep, but id snap out of it, and as i did i got a slight rush of the body, id start RB again, but find it hard to focus, as i had nothing to focus on
I use reverse blinking in addition to a small mental visualization task. It sounds like it is working for you, Pond Weed. I use reverse blinking as a relaxation technique to get super relaxed (almost asleep/ in a trance). Try pairing it with an easy visulaization or memory excercise to keep from losing consciousness. At the height of my WILD, when I am starting to get real spaced out, I will alternate between the reverse blinking and a visualization. It is like bouncing back and forth between concentration and relaxation, teasing yourself into a dream.
thanks for the reply Robot Butler.
one thing i should say is im very new to LDing + WILD's. so when i go to bed to attempt one i am pretty excited and very sensitive of what is happening to me, i assume thats not such a good thing.
i tried it again, but this time put LUCID on a piece of paper on the ceiling and had a little light in the room, so everytime i blinked i saw the word LUCID, which helped me focus.
i have a clock that ticks so id count to 5 with the clock ticks, and open my eyes. it was after about 10 mins my hand went numb.
about another 5 mins passed and, without realising, stopped the blinking. very shortly i would realise 'oh no iv stopped blinking' and snap back to reality, and get a rush of nerves all up the body.
this happened twice and i rolled onto my side and gave up.
from this experience + what you said, i think i have figured it out:
during the day we get random thoughts / images, but we shrug them of easily as we are busy with important things.
we get these random thoughts / images throughout the day including when we go to bed. but as we start to go through the stages of the begining of sleep, these random thoughts / images get harder and harder to shrug off, until the thoughts become to overwhelming for the concious mind to handle, and we get whisped of into sleep.
and the mind exersises are a way of letting these random thoughts pass 'around' us.
how about this metaphor:
you are standing in a dry riverbed, water starts to come (random images + thoughts), the water gets stronger until it eventualy snatches you away. into SLEEP.
but a WILD is where we create a protective bubble, so the water can flow around us. and these mind exersises you speak of are a way of creating a bubble.
-am i anywhere on the right track?
-what are some of these mind exersises you do?
-because i dont think my LUCID sign was provoking enough 'stimulation'.
thanks for the Help :)
It sounds like you were really close to a successful WILD. Those vibrations you mentioned are normally a sign of oncoming sleep. If you can ride out a few rounds of that weird energetic feeling, a dream should be right around the corner.
Also, make sure you are not attempting this when you first go to sleep at night. It is nearly impossible to WILD right before bed. You should be doing a Wake Back To Bed of some sort after 3-5 hours of sleep. When you first go to sleep at night, you are nowhere near a dream cycle. The best you can hope for is to WILD into a NREM dream, or a very brief unsatisfying REM cycle.
I like your metaphor for sleep washing over you like a flash flood. There are all sorts of little tricks you can do to stay aware. You just have to figure out what works for you. Personally, I like to imagine myself doing a simple, tactile task over and over. Something that engages a sense of movement and motion, and is easily accessible from memory. I don't like to have to spend too much brain power inventing the visualization.
oh i think i see now.
the way i described how i got the rush of nerves / tinglies when i snapped back. those feeling wernt happening 'Because' i was snapping back, but rather they were already happening, and im simply realising them as i snap back to wakfullness.
but thats the problem, i loose conciousness, the body starts to enter SP (ie, the tinglies), my subconciousness, realising iv lost consiosness, slams on the breaks. and i snap back awake.
thats what the few seconds of tingles is as i snap back, its the SP 'disapearing'.
so this tactile imagine exersise you speak of, how do you not get lost in the image of the exersise and fall asleep.
because with me, if i imagine myself doing somthing, the image gets stronger and stronger until i dissapear into sleep (it absorbs me). like the current getting stronger metaphor.
how do you keep the scenario 'stable'
I've tried quite a few WILD methods, but none of them has seemed to have any effect. Yesterday, however, I tried RB for the first time, and I think I was close to entering a dream. I did the blinking until I felt like falling asleep. I don't know what happened next, but I was away for some time, and when I came back, I find myself shaking (vibrating) and a square image slowly appeared infront of me. This scared the crap out of me and I opened my eyes. I think my next step is to learn to stay calm and control my fear upon entering the dream.
i think the trick to staying calm is:
-know whats going on (thats probably why your on DV)
-the more you do it, the calmer you will be, it will seem more normal
Yep, I'll surely get it right after some practice. Now I'm off to bed to give it another go. Good night!
Check out Clairity's WILD guide for some good tips on how to enter a dream from that tingly / vibration state. Especially this part of her guide:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...415#post746415
I just have a quick question regarding the SP and vibrations stage. I can get into SP and see minor HI but nothing great. My basic question in, do i just relax and let it strengthen with time? Or is there something i have to do to make it stronger?
Just be persistent with whatever you are doing in your WILD. SP is not a goal in itseslf. It is just a step along the way to a successful WILD. If it happens, take it as a good sign that you are on the right track. If it doesn't, keep going anyways. Not evey WILD has SP, and not every SP leads to a WILD.
Okay thanks, It varies from night to night, sometimes i see good HI and really feel the vibrations and get skimp glimpses of dream scenes and others i just can do it at all or i have little to no feedback. I use the Trance Induced WILD method (reverse blinking if you've heard of it) It basically just relaxes the body and makes the transition into SP much quicker and easier.
I recently incidentally found a way to WILD which I call "Play-Dead-ILD" about which I made this Topic: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=73294
I don't believe this forum is accessible to all members so to briefly explain it in a nutshell;
One night I just went to sleep with nothing on my Mind and incidentally ended up in this strange state of consciousness I can only explain as the ultimate surrender. I relaxed to teh max, physically and Mentally. As though I was impersonating a Coma-Patient. behaving as if Unconscious, while actually being still conscious. This induced a Trance that sped up the onset of Dreams significantly: In about 15 minutes. This was so fast that my Consciousness hand't even faded out yet, So I was able to enter a Dream lucid.
This has been a very effective trance-method for me.
It's as if when one is not just physically non-responsive, but also mentally non-responsive, acting like being totally apathic and unconscious, ignoring itches, thoughts, igoring all external and internal impulses, while being conscious enough and ready to jump out of your Coma-state and raise your consciousness again once inside a Dream.
Okay, I tried this Method last night.. and I didnt read the entire thing properly I guess, so I started straight of doing reverse blinking, it felt weird, I just went to sleep.
But I had some awesome dreams! they were pretty good! there was one particular *wink* *wink* dream there.
I got up and tried it again, and same thing, some pretty good ones, but I dont think I felt like I was in control in any of those though.
So what do I focus on? like, how long should my eyes be open? one sec? two sec? wait till my image clears up?
I have an Idea.
This can be used in combination with an RC.
First you use a trance technique, Playing-dead, Reverse blinking or otherwise to induce Trance( so dreams start sooner ) then you do Reverse blinking and while you're at it you could do an RC. If you were to paint or paste a symbol on the sealing with the words Lucid Dream written under it, you could use that as an RC everytime you're reverse blinking. Open eyes, Read, close eyes, open eyes again and read tocheck if it still says the same.
ha, that exactly what iv done (the LUCID sign in ceiling), but iv only had one attempt at a WILD at 4 in the morning. i set a reminder on my phone to wake me up at that time with the message 'Time for a Lucid Dream' (great techniqe by the way chaps, very motivating). but when the alarm rang i accidently pressed 'sleep' instead of 'off' so after 10 mins i started to feel relaxed and that bloody alarm went of again. i gave up, very anoyed.
but seeing LUCID everytime i blink helps a lot. but it did feel a bit like an empty word after a while, its the same with any word after you keep thinking it / saying it after a while it looses its meaning. a poster which invoked a mental exersise would be good, i cant think what though
What does sythix mean when he says "bring awareness to your feet and feel them relaxing and letting go of any tensions" how do you bring your awareness?
He just means relax yourself starting from the feet up.
how long does that usualy take?
can somone give an example of how they use anchoring with lucid dreaming, i understand the concept, but i dont really know how to apply it to lucid dreaming.
thanks
i use my breath as an anchor for example, I think you can pick any thought or feeling or image you want and if I'm not mistaken, the purpose of an anchor is to focus your attention on one thing so you can stay conscious. Without an anchor I always lose track of my thoughts and I forget I was trying to stay lucid :i
In addition to what ChaybaChayba said, you can use reverse blinking as an anchor (or at least I do). I use it to a point where I am so relaxed I can fall asleep within a minute or two (this is why WILDing in the morning is best--I could not do this before bed). Then my mind is still concentrated on LDing, and within a minute or two I hit SP. Once there I take 3 breaths and try to make it feel as though a vortex is either by my feet or by my head, and that I'm getting sucked up. This usually gets me into a dream.
ok, i kinda see.
i thought though that an anchor was an assosiationg thing, so if every time i (attempt) WILD i listen to a particular piece of music, or a particular body action, so that when i next do that body action etc, it will help to trigger the WILD.
i have only tried this in the morning once. but i did the blinking thing, as long as i could, until i stopped without realising, should i not be doing that. should i do it until i feels very relaxed, then make a concious decision to stop, but then what?, what you said, snoop, about the vortex thing sounds good.
hmmm, so tonight (tommorow morning) i will try it, i guess its all about getting the timming right, if i stop blinking to early i will be to 'active' and if i stop it to late, i will be to drowsey to make any concious decisions.
ill let you know how it goes. thanks a bunch chaps
this is a brilliant technique, thankyou!
Hey guys, was wondering.. I have these little glow in the dark stars, that I can clearly see at nightime on my ceiling. (it was the previous owners, and I cant be botherd taking it down). Would that be an alright object to focus on?
and does the duration of the eye-open-ness depend on if I fully focus on the object? or just a normal "open-close" instead of a "open-focus-close"??
this sounds really awesome/interesting. I am going to go try it out now!
sounds cool. I will try tonight.
I have a question though. Can it be used at bedtime, or must I WBTB?
I love this technique. thanks fo posting.
A fresh approach to WILDING....I will try. So fresh...is that minty??
Hello, I have recently made many attempts to WILD, but every time I tried, I either ended up falling asleep unconsciously or I could lay there forever, but using this technique I fall asleep unconsciously rather than being unable to sleep. It's a good relaxing technique, thank you. I just don't even get to see the HI, I just lay there, feel comfortable, trying to keep the thought that I am to remain conscious. Then I start hearing a constant high-tone beeping sound in my ears. I lay there for several more minutes, and the next thing I experience is waking up in the morning. It happens very often, what can I do? Thanks in advance. :)
They say it's hard to WILD right before the regular night sleep. It would be easier if you had already taken a 4-5 hour sleep and then try it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo_b
Or have less sleep during a night than usual and then try a nap some time during a day.
(but hay, I have only had one WILD - which actually used reverse blinking)
I've tried a WBTB wild (after 5 hours) and I've had a weird experience. After I woke up, I spent about 40 minutes reading about lucid dreaming. Then I attempted WILD - I was laying there for around 1h, I was falling asleep and waking up, but after I've woken up, I haven't realized that I could use that for WILDing, and I continued the WILD attempt (as though I had already lost consciousness partially)... Then after that hour, I thought that I couldn't WILD anymore, felt uncomfortable, and even though I know that it's a sign that the dream-state is close, I somehow just didn't think of it back then...
I will try this technique tonight! :D
So, i just blink every five seconds whilst going to sleep. And then HI should kick in then i close my eyes and start seeing the HI and then it goes on from there?
Also you can reverse blink your eyes when you feel your self dazing off and when you are falling unconscious. I combine these blinks with auto suggestions "I remain awake as my body falls asleep" or "mind awake/body asleep" and that seems to work very well.
I really enjoy this technique because it gives your eyes something to do while transitioning in and through SP. It is very relaxing as well.
As for anchoring it is about associations. An example would be that say everytime you lay down think of going to sleep. Why? Because maybe every time you went to her house she gave you one. So anchoring is creating associations between two seemingly unrealated things.
Another way to understand anchoring is to think of it in terms of daily rituals. When you get dressed you feel more alert or energized. When you go to bed you take of your pants.
Now, if you violate one of your rituals this causes discomfort. For example try going to sleep with your pants or shoes on. You should be able to go to sleep but when you feel shoes on you just won't fall asleep unless there are stronger influences at hand ex: alcohol, drugs etc. This is because we associate shoes on and laying down with rest and shoes off and laying down with going to sleep.
So, if laying down with shoes on means rest but not sleep then heres an opportunity to practice inducing trance because we are less likely to fall asleep than had we done it with shoes off. Likewise we could apply a certain signal every time we are deeply relaxed and then anytime we want to be that relaxed at will we use our ritual or conditioning with signal to help us experience our associated phenomenon.
I tried this technique right after reading...Well I only used part of it. Right after I read this I sat there doing reverse blinking and twitching at the same time and I got really relaxed, and it felt like I was almost sinking into myself. I am going to try reverse blinking and twitching at the same time from now on!
Major bump! this needs to be talked about more. Seems solid gonna give it a go.
what is the bump?
last post was 2 months ago :3
ok
gonna try this technique hopefully it works!! will post results!
Im trying this tonight for sure!!!!!
So, I tried the reverse blinking, and after a while, a kind of pressure formed in my chest and then moved up to my neck. Has that happened to anyone before?
I tried it last night... And then my stupid brother had to be noisy as all hell when he went to bed so I had to stop, but other than that it worked great!.. Oh and one more thing! Instead of reverse blinking, I just opened and closed my eyes really fast until they tired out..
This is my dream journal entry for last night, I tried the technique and was met with exciting results.
Last night I tried a new technique, reverse blinking. I believe that I came very close to actually entering a dream. I see this as a large step and hopefully one that will soon unlock the method of the WILD. I began by reverse blinking. Once my body was heavy and relaxed and bodily sensation was becoming difficult to percept I stopped reverse blinking and began to twitch my left arm periodically. After a short time I began seeing HI. I watched them in a zoned out manner and attempted to look past them as was suggested. After a short time of doing this, my body became completely numb, I continued half-watching the HI and letting my mind drift slightly. In the midst of a mind drift I saw two quick flashes of lightning which lit up the back yard. The scene was much larger and more encompassing than the previous. I truly felt as if I was in the backyard for the split second. I think that I reached the point where lucidity was very close. I felt as if I was falling. I attempted to hang on to the image but was blocked out by a think wall of oily black. The wall didn't move. I watched it as my body felt like it was being sucked away. I was hopeful yet it was not long before my thrilling ride ended and I was laying in my bed again. I think that I came close. I think that I should have committed more and grabbed the dream before it slipped away.
This sounds very interesting! I am gonna try this :)
I've had this under favorites for some time now intending to read it but never got to it. But anyway I just clicked it and read through it, I must have read it before because I do every single one of these steps in order just like you said. Especially when I do WBTB it works wonders all of my lucids have been because of this relaxation technique.
Wow, when I was trying to WILD and explained it to other people they said I was doing it horribly wrong but reading this is exactly how I did it. Last time I tried WILD my eyes got really weird so I opened them a bit and I also noticed I somehow got deeper into wild even tho I just moved my eyelid muscles :p Ima keep trying
What is HI like? Is there a certain pattern or geometry that you see or is it just random imagery?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sythix
Not everybody would see certain patterns or geometry, sometimes you don't see or feel anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by hilxl