New Wbtb

Well if you have read the is lucid dreaming bad for you in sleep and health you would no that the prefrontal cortex is shutdown during first sleep stage and activated after that the whole night. Now i am going by the theory if that if you sleep throught that stage you can lucid dream all night it hasent been tested but i know their theory behind it.

All you need to do is set your alarm 135 or 105 minuates after the time you go to sleep so example say i go to sleep about 11pm i would set alarm to wake me up at 1pm.

Now you wake up if you need to wake up at a special time just set alarm again now just do your method of WBTB during the mouring now. You will feel the same as you did when doing it in the mouring all you need to do is WILD and your part of brain which is responicble for lucid dreaming is recovered and fully functional so you can do it easily. Now you would be doing this around the time of NON REM which produce slightly different dreams then REM but they do produce dreams your also more tired so you would be able to stay in the dream longer your less likely to wake up.
Note try to think during the period between WBTB and waking up to try it do something like read or go over a mental puzzle this would bring your prefrontal cortex activty to a normal level so your chances of staying lucid is increased

P.S. I hope people try it because i really think this will work. Well saying that i hope that the reason we dont lucid dream is because of first sleep stage anyway i will try to night and see if it works well we can only hope.

Wow it was tricky the first few night proberly do to insomina and moving my sleep pattarn back four hours but finally i had my first lucid dream which lasted ages.
The problem i thought i had is not being able to relax it was like when i wake up at 1am my body is really anxious and hard to relax first i tried the method of relaxing body 61 point method but it didnt work and made my breathing very hard. Well i tried and finally found a method that works it is explain here http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/inde...howtopic=41135 i try my best now to explain what happen because it was really weird.

Well i went to sleep at 11pm then woke up at 12:40am i then started to do the technique above. I cant remeber what number i was on but i decided to just relax now and suddenly i was in a field. Now i cant go into the nature of the HI but it doesnt matter all that matters is you follow technique in the link above.

The length of the dreams was above well really long and i am to lazy to write down everything so this is what i did even thought it doesnt matter.
1. completed lucid dream task made a snowman of links then battled it to i defented it
2. flying
3. more fighting with ninja
4. painting and going around looking at painting my mind has created
Well that just some of the thing i did during the night. I have the worse sense of time ever so i would say roughly about four hours intill i woke up to go to toilet then another three hours. Soon i write about how you can stabillize dreams.

P.S. i think their might be a hour limit i.e. when you wake up at 1am if you dont do it before 2am then you cant do it. So if their is just set alarm to 5am and try then.

I shouldn't imagine this technique is better than the conventional form of WBTB. Firstly, your technique involves sleeping only 135 minutes before waking up, whereas the usual method involves sleeping for a longer time so that you wake up during your longer REM cycles (and so will have longer dreams.) Furhtermore, using this method, you would wake up during an NREM period; you claim that you still dream during this time, which is false. It's true that you'd be more tired if you woke up at this time, but that's the reverse of what you should want; by being more awake, you're more likely to LD - that's the crux of WBTB. There's no advantage to waking up during an NREM period to doing so during an REM period.

You mention the prefrontal cortex a few times, and suggest that lucid dreaming should be easier when this is active. This is, I think, the problem with your technique. As far as I can see, you've based this assertion on nothing. At the very least, you have no evidence for it.

Writing with good spelling, punctuation, and grammar would make your posts a whole lot less painful to read. :wink:

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I shouldn't imagine this technique is better than the conventional form of WBTB. Firstly, your technique involves sleeping only 135 minutes before waking up, whereas the usual method involves sleeping for a longer time so that you wake up during your longer REM cycles (and so will have longer dreams.) Furhtermore, using this method, you would wake up during an NREM period; you claim that you still dream during this time, which is false. It's true that you'd be more tired if you woke up at this time, but that's the reverse of what you should want; by being more awake, you're more likely to LD - that's the crux of WBTB. There's no advantage to waking up during an NREM period to doing so during an REM period.

You mention the prefrontal cortex a few times, and suggest that lucid dreaming should be easier when this is active. This is, I think, the problem with your technique. As far as I can see, you've based this assertion on nothing. At the very least, you have no evidence for it.

Writing with good spelling, punctuation, and grammar would make your posts a whole lot less painful to read. :wink:
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Dreaming actually does happen in NREM sleep just not as often
and I beleive he is dyslexic
Imran

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The prefrontal cortex in sleep.

Muzur A, Pace-Schott EF, Hobson JA.

Laboratory of Neurophysiology, Dept of Psychiatry, Massachusetts Mental Health Center, Harvard Medical School, 74 Fenwood Road, 02115, Boston, MA, USA

Experimental data indicate a role for the prefrontal cortex in mediating normal sleep physiology, dreaming and sleep-deprivation phenomena. During nonrandom-eye-movement (NREM) sleep, frontal cortical activity is characterized by the highest voltage and the slowest brain waves compared to other cortical regions. The differences between the self-awareness experienced in waking and its diminution in dreaming can be explained by deactivation of the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex during REM sleep. Here, we propose that this deactivation results from a direct inhibition of the dorsolateral prefrontal cortical neurons by acetylcholine, the release of which is enhanced during REM sleep. Sleep deprivation influences frontal executive functions in particular, which further emphasizes the sensitivity of the prefrontal cortex to sleep.

PMID: 12457899 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] [/b]

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...p;dopt=Abstract
Self-awareness resides in the prefrontal cortex, which shows reduced activity during sleep for most people most of the time. This reduced activity may well be why we can dream of the most bizarre things without being aware of how bizarre they are until we wake up and remember them. Perhaps lucid dreaming is possible for some people because their frontal lobes don't rest during sleep.
http://skepdic.com/lucdream.html
well i get my assertion on various scientific journals on sleep.

http://academic.pgcc.edu/~mhspear/sl...s/nrsleep.html

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Lobbing a Grenade
But had Hobson and McCarley completely solved the riddle? Dream researcher W. David Foulkes, then at the University of Chicago, decided to find out by systematically waking his subjects during different sleep phases; his results showed that equating REM sleep with dreaming and non-REM sleep with a dreamless state was too simplistic. Although only 5 to 10 percent of sleepers who were woken during a non-REM phase reported dreams, the picture changed drastically when Foulkes reformulated the standard question of sleep research from "Were you dreaming just now?" to "What was going through your head just now?" Suddenly 70 percent described dreamlike impressions during non-REM periods. [/b]

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The only reliable difference between REM dream reports, sleep-onset reports, and certain other classes of non-REM dream report is that the REM reports are longer. In all other respects, the non-REM and REM dreams appear to be identical. This demonstrates conclusively that fully-fledged dreams can occur independently of the unique physiological state of REM sleep. Therefore, whatever the explanation may be for the strong correlation that exists between dreaming and REM sleep, it is no longer accepted that dreaming is caused exclusively by the REM state.[/b]

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Dreams, once thought to occur only during REM sleep, also occur (but to a lesser extent) in non-REM sleep phases. It's possible there may not be a single moment of our sleep when we are actually dreamless.[/b]

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Furhtermore, using this method, you would wake up during an NREM period; you claim that you still dream during this time, which is false.[/b]

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Have you ever tried proving yourself wrong. well your wrong we do dream all night their lots of evidence for it the above is just some.

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It's true that you'd be more tired if you woke up at this time, but that's the reverse of what you should want; by being more awake, you're more likely to LD - that's the crux of WBTB. There's no advantage to waking up during an NREM period to doing so during an REM period. [/b]

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The only thing i have to say is try it yourself.

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There's no advantage to waking up during an NREM period to doing so during an REM period. [/b]

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The advantage is their more time lucid dreaming.

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Dreaming actually does happen in NREM sleep just not as often
and I beleive he is dyslexic
Imran[/b]

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We dream all the time.

P.S. can you post in sleep and health lucid dreaming is bad for you if you got any problems with my theory.

Everytime I go to bed I tell myself 'I will remember all my dreams and wake up after each one'

well, this has given me a very high dream recall and last night I remembered an astonishing 10+ dreams and oddly enough I woke up 4 hours after I first went to sleep. After 4 hours of sleep I was able to recall 5 different dreams. None of them were very long but I clearly remember 5 seperate dreams that all occurred before 4 hours of sleep which leads me to wonder at what stage of sleep was this?

I didn't wake up after each dream I just woke up 4 hours after i went to bed and was able to write down 5 seperate dreams in my dream journal but I would think I wasn't quite in REM sleep? And even if I was I had to of started dreaming at around the 3 hour mark?