What is the point of Lucid Dreaming?
This is my second try to get this thread to post. I'd signed in but by the time I finished typing and clicked the post thing dreamviews told me I wasn't signed in. :mad:
At any rate, this is a serious post and so I should like some serious and thoughtful responses please.
I just woke a while ago from another UNSUCCESSFUL and rather BORING night of dreams. Though I can recall them enough to write the dreams down I just don't see the point since they are not really all that great or even worth having or writing. I go through cycles of bad recall, very dark, hard to recall hard to dream dreams and then I can recall some stuff at least enough to have something to write should I choose to do so.
The reason for this post is to ask a question I have also asked concerning life: what is the point?
I started lucid dreaming studies years and years ago, was a member of LaBerge's Lucidity Institute and still have the original printed newsletters, to have a fantasy world to play in. I used to fantasize constantly as a kid and young adult. Mostly concerning vampires and sex, but I had some creativity now it appears at almost 40 I have none. I cannot even make myself paint and it is a struggle to try to read a novel. The only novels I seem to still have a love for and can read are the Discworld ones.
At any rate, I am not sure how much of a role your hormones play or not and that might be my problem since I have better recall and some creativity sometimes, not all the time anymore, a week or so before my period. Now, I am lucky if I can just get recall.
I've had a lot of lucid dreams and have walked through walls, flown, sword fought, and so on and I guess I have become rather bored or jaded or whatever. I just don't see the point in Lucid Dreaming if it isn't for fantasy and I no longer care.
So, before I get unsigned on by dreamviews again, what is your point to lucid dreaming. Why do you do it and how much of a role does fantasy life play in them and what would be a new reason to LD for me if my fantasy life is really over?
Thank You.
Why Lucid dreams/ why life?
Oh dear, look, i went through about half of this thread and read as intently as I could, but i'm so eager to respond, that i skipped quite a bit, and so I hope i'm not just going to repeat and so on, so on....
Your question is SO important, becuase you apply it to 'why live'?
Like, what the hell is the point? Eternal wonder...
Look, firstly, I have no idea who you are, and I hear your comments about people taking this lucid dreaming and yoga and 'alternative' methods of lifestyles WAY too seriously. BUT, if it works for them (whatever 'works' means), then let it be so. Although, on the other hand, let's argue and disagree. Conflict IS life. a 1 needs a 0. A mirror image of yourself displays the same, but there;s actually two things occuring. You stare at a blank wall and chances are, you'll reamin rather blank in your reaction because it's just a blank wall. You see 'you' in a mirror and even though every movement you make folows suit, it;s a whole new world as to what's going on within your head when you see 'you'. Next time you take that into account and stare at a blank wall, it's very (supposed), neutrality can take on a whole new meaning and before you know it, your painting that 'blank' canvas with yourself, and a whole new wrold of confusion and creation is born.
Lucid dreams seem to be such 'internal' experiences.
You go in and in and keep diving within, but try to remeber that it's a beautifull thing to look within. then you can 'see' without. For so long i said: LOOK WITHIN TO LOOK WITHOUT. Fuckin hell, I sound like such a preacher, and sometimes, I hate that about me, but I hear your call, and you did call (that's why you posted). Now, perhaps you'll categorize me as one of 'those yoga hippy type people'. Well, to be honest, I don't practise yoga, I eat meat, I get off on porn and curse, but I wil never let anyone have me believe that there is/ was/ or will be, a single person on this planet that is simply 'EVIL' . I'm not religious, I respect those who are, I'm in no positon to suggest how to think/ live...etc...Chances are, a lot of us are somewhat confused as to who, and why and where....Perhaps we're all alone. I juggle that idea so many times, because i'm of the group (group, eh?, what???), that believes in 'particle' existence, ie; that we are all connected somehow. Chaos theory and so on so forth. I'm not a mathematican, not a philsopher, not a doctor, not a prostitute, not a teacher, but maybe I'm all those things. they're just things really.
Peers from all angles so often speak of 'potential'...your parents, your lover/ lovers, your teachers/ professors, priests, musicians, actors, painters..on and on and on and on...Maybe they don't even speak about such; as in 'what is your purpose here?', but good gabblegob, it so often seems that way. So, I think I'm with you in a way...I also wonder. But, here I am babbling my drunken heart to you, whoever you are about how maybe we see things similarily and hence get pissed ( angry, not drunk,..but that too, lol.), and wonder what the hell is the point in all of 'THIS'.
Existentialism is a very modern and valuable if not, more than anything, logical point of deconstructing an idea of what it is to live/ be...Now, I must apologize, because I don't really read much, if at all, but from what I gather (conversations with those who DO read a lot and my adoration and intrigue of films by authors who stem from and indulge in that school of thninking). But, I think it's somewhat dangerous. I'm probably SO wrong here, but what I'm getting at, is this:
If you die, we'll still be here!
From your own, now, when i say 'your', perspective, there's no known telling that we 'will' actually still be here when your 'gone'. As in, there is by strange logic, a chance that everyone you know and every smell you smell and colour that you see, that are nothing other that an emalgamated and highly inventive and complex creation of your own consciousness (fuck, in that case we are all serious artists!lol). Please correct me if i'm wrong (as I aforemtioned, I don't read, so I'm probably poorly informed and undoubtedly unqualified to refference these kind of philosophies, but...)....To a very great degree, your world and 'our' world is as you create it through your being, albeit asllep or awake...In both of those states, your still making decisions that affect you, and you are part of the chain.
Don't take that as some sort of pressure to 'comply'. That's an awfull word, but do you agree with me that as you affect yourself, you affect us too. Just do what you want, you have in you the abiltity to question what and why and in a highly ironic comment, "to heel" with those who judge you for it.
I'm naiive, in that I think EVERYONE is beautifull and worthwhile and have a right to live and be. I see so called 'nasty' people as such more as victims, rather than purpotrators of ill manners and 'evil'. Now, the part of me 'admitting' that I'm naiive is moslty 'bullshit' from my perspective, but unfortunatley a lot of people belive that there actually are people who are simply 'EVIL' in this world.
Has it been a while since you smiled or cried confused happy tears? I hope so, but your not obliged to do so.
I'm Alex, i'm from ireland, i breath oxygen and talk shit. Salutations! If by any chance you somehow by mere coincidence chance upon my tombstone, grafitti it with the following line:
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