Method that unlocks Vivid LD with oobe

Help with a program :

1. From 4 am to 5 : 17 am keep listening to a preset called Astral Producer via BrainWave generator
2. At 5 : 17 am Take a shower 5-10 minutes
3. Once you finish with your shower go back to your bed and lie down
4. Tell your self that "I will remember everything I'm about to experience"
repeat that sentence 5-10 times
5. Enjoy your Lucid Dream

Attaining Astral Projection while in Lucid Dream state:
1. Once you are in a LD , open up your hands
2. Grab one of your fingers
3. And try to separate it from your body
4. This will allow you to astral project instantly
5. Always use commands like Clarity Now etc...


hope this helps :)

When i use this technique i usually astral project... the experiences are fantastic and worth to try :)

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Interesting. Why must you take a shower? Iti si quite a odd setup you have here to lay in bed for about 1 1/2 hours take a shower repeat a montra and then obtain a lucid dream? Very interesting.

OMG cant believe u came up with this idea. Totally be willing to try it..great idea

By taking a shower you are awaking your concious to the full potential. I prefer a bit colder water so you awake to the max..

Oh I see so the shower assists in making you more aware and awake i get it know thanks for clearing tha tup.

I'll try it once some results are posted
Where can I find this astral projection thing on BWGen
I have it somewhere but am not sure how to use it

Imran

imran, I think you need to purchase the full version of BWGen to use custom presets, like the one born_2_kill is speaking of. I know that BWGen doesn't come specifically with an astral projection preset.

How much does it cost?

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Astral Projection isn't real, and I've seperated my finger multiple times in an LD, so... No, just no. You might convince yourself that you are APing, but you aren't. The first method is interesting, but it is a MILD/Auto-Suggestion, and the shower step isn't needed.

If needed i could convert the Present into a .wav format and host it on my website :) and for those who wish to download bwgen you can get it from
bwgendotcom and yes you have to purshase it in order to import presets :(

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Astral Projection isn't real, and I've seperated my finger multiple times in an LD, so... No, just no. You might convince yourself that you are APing, but you aren't. The first method is interesting, but it is a MILD

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/Auto-Suggestion, and the shower step isn't needed.

The Reason why it does not work for you its because your brain doesnt know what purpose and action it will take once you do it..
In your dream just Say out Loud I will astral project or Im gonna leave my body , and push your finger thats it!
hope it helps

Heh, his website is "fundamentalistatheist"... so I don't think anything is gonna help.

ehh why would u astral project , when u know ur alraedy in a dream and LD?

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Originally Posted by tekkendreams

ehh why would u astral project , when u know ur alraedy in a dream and LD?

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Astral Projection is the path way to death..people who die go there directly
and there are several planes that can be accesses trough Astral Projection

On the other hand LD's are ur daily experiences , without the physical limits

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Originally Posted by born_2_kill

2. Grab one of your fingers
3. And try to separate it from your body
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How do you do that, you just pull it?
I get the feeling that for me it will either get torn off, or get stretched like rubber...

Before i pull out my finger i scream out with a Strong Will
"I will Astral project now!" and than i pull my finger... the next thing you know is that you are floating near your body or you are already in a plane far away from you body. :) Once you separate .. dont think about you body or else you will be braught back :) enjoy ur time In the Astral Plane

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Originally Posted by born_2_kill

Before i pull out my finger i scream out with a Strong Will
"I will Astral project now!" and than i pull my finger... the next thing you know is that you are floating near your body or you are already in a plane far away from you body. :) Once you separate .. dont think about you body or else you will be braught back :) enjoy ur time In the Astral Plane

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OK, I'll give it a shot, but I can't use BW generators because my hearing is busted.

Use your Will.power..... and you will succeed without bwgen :)

What is the point of astral projection? Im ignorant in the realms beyond Lucid dreaming. What can you do? And why would i want to walk the pathway to death?

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Originally Posted by born_2_kill

Help with a program :
Attaining Astral Projection while in Lucid Dream state:
1. Once you are in a LD , open up your hands
2. Grab one of your fingers
3. And try to separate it from your body
4. This will allow you to astral project instantly
5. Always use commands like Clarity Now etc...
When i use this technique i usually astral project... the experiences are fantastic and worth to try :)

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NIce technique born_2_kill. I'll try to remember it the next time I'm lucid.

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Originally Posted by CrazyInSane

Heh, his website is "fundamentalistatheist"... so I don't think anything is gonna help.

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What does atheism have to do with belief in astral projection? They certainly aren't mutually exclusive.




born_2_kill: can you link to the preset's page in the preset library for those of us who already have BWGEN?

(But I would say this to those of us around here who don't have BWGEN: Try looking around ;) )

For those who wish to download the preset heres the link
here you go Click here

hope it helps :)

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Originally Posted by born_2_kill

Help with a program :

1. From 4 am to 5 : 17 am keep listening to a preset called Astral Producer via BrainWave generator
2. At 5 : 17 am Take a shower 5-10 minutes
3. Once you finish with your shower go back to your bed and lie down
4. Tell your self that "I will remember everything I'm about to experience"
repeat that sentence 5-10 times
5. Enjoy your Lucid Dream

Attaining Astral Projection while in Lucid Dream state:
1. Once you are in a LD , open up your hands
2. Grab one of your fingers
3. And try to separate it from your body
4. This will allow you to astral project instantly
5. Always use commands like Clarity Now etc...


hope this helps :)

When i use this technique i usually astral project... the experiences are fantastic and worth to try :)

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Alright I tried your Astral Projection and this is what happened.

I tried to seperate my finger from my body and this like virtual projection of myself was being removed from my body and I kept pulling and pulling but if I let go it would snap back and it was kind of slippery and hard to keep a hold on is this normal? I've never attempted an Astral Projection so I don't know much about these things.

Hm. I'll have a look for that/


ehe.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Heat

Alright I tried your Astral Projection and this is what happened.

I tried to seperate my finger from my body and this like virtual projection of myself was being removed from my body and I kept pulling and pulling but if I let go it would snap back and it was kind of slippery and hard to keep a hold on is this normal? I've never attempted an Astral Projection so I don't know much about these things.

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It is certainly normal.. and you have almost succeeded in that but...
Something has hold you back , Probably your Doubts or feelings.
Remmember when you pull the finger be 100% sure of success. If you have doubts than you mind will use it against you.
once you pull the finger Scream out "Astral project!" or "Im leaving my body!"
this will force your brain "Subconscious" to let you go out.

Once your in the Astral realm dont be scared to meet unknown entities.
And clear your mind totally because it is your though's that control the surroundings.

just like a Cold shower: Leaving a window open or turning up the airconditioner a bit to allow some cold air into your bedroom also does miracles to awaken the Mind.

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Originally Posted by born_2_kill

Help with a program :

1. From 4 am to 5 : 17 am keep listening to a preset called Astral Producer via BrainWave generator
2. At 5 : 17 am Take a shower 5-10 minutes
3. Once you finish with your shower go back to your bed and lie down
4. Tell your self that "I will remember everything I'm about to experience"
repeat that sentence 5-10 times
5. Enjoy your Lucid Dream

Attaining Astral Projection while in Lucid Dream state:
1. Once you are in a LD , open up your hands
2. Grab one of your fingers
3. And try to separate it from your body
4. This will allow you to astral project instantly
5. Always use commands like Clarity Now etc...


hope this helps :)

When i use this technique i usually astral project... the experiences are fantastic and worth to try :)

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whats the 'preset called Astral Producer via BrainWave generator'

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Download the program Brain Wave Generator and use that preset for the settings.

Last night when I became lucid I tried this (didnt use the shower etc beforehand), unfortunately I wasn't very lucid though, but I said loudly 'Im going to have an out of body experience!' and pulled my finger off my hand, I then found myself shifted to my bedroom watching myself sleep.

It was not all that vivid, I had to look at the detail on my hand to increase it a bit. This didnt last for long before I woke up. I think doing that only brought me to my room because I had read earlier that thats what it would probably do - Like b2k said I think it really does depend on what consequence your mind attaches to an event such as pulling your finger. Thinking about that being the only way into the astral plain for a while could help.

Can someone have this preset saved to an MP3 or WAV file, that is set to last 1 hour and 17 minutes?

I am not sure I believe in "astral projection", but I have OBEs from time to time when I am lucky. I will try this finger technique. Usually what I do in my lucid dream is find my body where I am sleeping; usually this makes me aware of my sleep paraysis enough to will myself to "project". At this point I am sucked through a "black hole" with a rushing sound in my ears. I end up standing over my bed and body. Usually however, it is not perfect and I still see inaccuracies about where I am or how my room is.

Nonetheless, these OBEs are the most vivid and life changing LDs I have ever had.

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Originally Posted by born_2_kill

Help with a program :

1. From 4 am to 5 : 17 am keep listening to a preset called Astral Producer via BrainWave generator

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i dont understand.. do you listen to this while you are sleeping? awake?

I used to believe in astral projection before I found out about lucid dreaming. It's obviously just a lucid dream where you think you are astral projecting. Have you ever tried to prove it at all?

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Last night when I became lucid I tried this (didnt use the shower etc beforehand), unfortunately I wasn't very lucid though, but I said loudly 'Im going to have an out of body experience!' and pulled my finger off my hand, I then found myself shifted to my bedroom watching myself sleep.

It was not all that vivid, I had to look at the detail on my hand to increase it a bit. This didnt last for long before I woke up. I think doing that only brought me to my room because I had read earlier that thats what it would probably do - Like b2k said I think it really does depend on what consequence your mind attaches to an event such as pulling your finger. Thinking about that being the only way into the astral plain for a while could help.

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I would explain you in detail what you experienced but unfortunately i cannot make it simple.

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I am not sure I believe in "astral projection", but I have OBEs from time to time when I am lucky. I will try this finger technique. Usually what I do in my lucid dream is find my body where I am sleeping; usually this makes me aware of my sleep paraysis enough to will myself to "project". At this point I am sucked through a "black hole" with a rushing sound in my ears. I end up standing over my bed and body. Usually however, it is not perfect and I still see inaccuracies about where I am or how my room is.

Nonetheless, these OBEs are the most vivid and life changing LDs I have ever had.

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That black hole and the noise are the signs of Astral Projection.
You succeeded in it. From that point on forget about your body and explore the world :)

Again, Can someone have this preset saved to an MP3 or WAV file, that is set to last 1 hour and 17 minutes?

Double: Never mind, I got it. Should this be listened too while asleep or awake? Does it matter if your doing something (ie. computer) or should you be lying down or something?

What is astral projection? It sounds like you're just dismembering your finger in your LD.

Omfg.

All this so called "method" of inducing LDs is, is a way to placebo yourself up to have a lucid.
The fact that you will have a lucid has nothing to do with your having listened to an mp3, or that you took a shower or some other BS...

The only reason your method induces LDs is because you expect it to. The act of showering creates a placebo effect that causes you to believe you have a better chance at having a lucid dream (and since lucid dreams are all in your head anyway, you have one.)


Rather than try to fool yourselves with some idiotic ritual, why not just realize that anyone can have DILDs on any night they choose just by believing with all their heart and mind they will.

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About the "pull your finger off for OBE":

Wtf?
Your in a lucid dream. This means that whatever you tell yourself is going to happen, will in fact happen.

If I were to somehow get myself to believe that every time I said "yarr" in my dreams I would grow a new leg then guess what?


Its a dream. Absolutely anything can be mimicked without any mental effort whatsoever

Actually, Billybob, the mp3 in question is for the brainwave generator, which can increase chances of an LD by tricking the brain. The BWGen will play a certain frequency in one ear, and a certain frequency in the other, causing the brain to mimic a certain frequency.

Our brains operate on many frequencies, and are actually, directly related to awareness and drowsiness. I don't know the exact ranges but, a certain frequency can trick the brain into causing the body to become sleepy helping you drift into a sleep. Once in this sleep, if it switches to a more aware frequency, bam, heightened LD chances.

Now, these brainwave mp3s do work. I'm not sure how this one works, though it wouldn't be hard to figure out.

Not to mention, even if it was a placebo, congratulations. You just ruined it for many people. Who gives a crap if its a placebo if it works? If it was a placebo, what might of worked for some people, you just entirely ruined. Congratulations.

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Actually, Billybob, the mp3 in question is for the brainwave generator, which can increase chances of an LD by tricking the brain. The BWGen will play a certain frequency in one ear, and a certain frequency in the other, causing the brain to mimic a certain frequency.

Our brains operate on many frequencies, and are actually, directly related to awareness and drowsiness. I don't know the exact ranges but, a certain frequency can trick the brain into causing the body to become sleepy helping you drift into a sleep. Once in this sleep, if it switches to a more aware frequency, bam, heightened LD chances.

Now, these brainwave mp3s do work. I'm not sure how this one works, though it wouldn't be hard to figure out.

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Brainwave generators have never been proven to effect your brainwave patterns
Please, do link me to a scientific study that shows irrefutable evidence (not "subject felt more alert!" as this could easily be placebo) of the BWGens effectiveness

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Not to mention, even if it was a placebo, congratulations. You just ruined it for many people. Who gives a crap if its a placebo if it works? If it was a placebo, what might of worked for some people, you just entirely ruined. Congratulations.

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Well you know, we could just let everyone believe whatever they want. Just tell them all that if they sleep with a rock under they're pillow they'll get "Instant lucids!" or something.

Or we could do what this website was designed for: Show people the most basic principles behind being able to LD. Equip them with the knowledge they need to make they're own lucid dreaming techniques and methods so when the placebo dries up they'll have real knowledge to fall back on.


If you want to go around spreading complete nonsense then thats fine, but I'm not going to sit around and let a bunch of logically minded people judge us all just because some moron was telling them to shower before bed for instant LDs

Does the point of the shower go right over your head? The point is to give the person a more alert state after readying their mind with the BWGen. Similar to a WBTB, where the person gets up and does things in their day waking themselves and their mind up before returning to bed.

As explained on BWgen, should you of cared to read and seen that they have done the research,

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If the left ear is presented with a steady tone of 500Hz and the right ear a steady tone of 510Hz, these two tones combine in the brain. The difference, 10Hz, is perceived by the brain and is a very effective stimulus for brainwave entrainment. This 10Hz is formed entirely by the brain. When using stereo headphones, the left and right sounds do not mix together until in your brain. The frequency difference, when perceived by brain this way, is called a binaural beat.

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Your right I didn't even really read his LD induction method


I read his pull your finger off thing and got confused with his typing of the 5:17AM (thinking it was pm for some reason)

I admit that the induction method is indeed a sound variation of WBTB (though I don't agree with the brainwave entrainment at all) and deserves its own topic.
However I think the AP part should be in beyond dreaming. (Or better, deleted)


Sorry about that

Way to go Billybob

For those who don't own BWgen you can download this mp3 format Astral Producer which i converted.

Download :
http://rapidshare.com/files/43882836...l_Producer.mp3

So sad that so many people don't have the ability nowadays to argue without being an asshole about it. So dissapointing.

Never said:

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I am not sure I believe in "astral projection", but I have OBEs from time to time when I am lucky.

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That's sort of like saying "I'm not sure I believe in sleep, but I take naps from time to time".

Astral projection is an OBE. ;) There are 3 types of OBE- astral projection, etheric projection, and NDE (near-death experience). From your description, it looks like you did AP. You described what many people experience during an exit. Good job :D

I've got no problem with skeptics. To the contrary, I give all the respect in the world to skeptics, and I can't blame them at all for not believing something about which there is very little or no sturdy evidence. But that does not mean you have to insult those who do believe in said things. It's immature, and completely unnecessary. It's almost like you're offended by people who believe in things you don't. Why? No one has insulted any of you in the name of astral projection. Haha. I'm sure many of you have religious beliefs. Why believe in a god? You can't prove that one can you? Not scientifically at least.

Anyway, back on topic, I listened to this, and had one of my weird semi-lucid dreams, which are way harder to control. I forgot to try the AP. From a lucid dream, I find that it's easier to AP if you just have the intent to do so, and then try to become aware of your sleeping body, and use an exit technique. Or you can just have the intent to AP and fly straight up into the air as fast as you can. I've never tried that one, but I hear it works.

The finger separating thing...idunno. That just doesn't seem like it would induce an AP. But I guess it could, i've never tried it. If this technique fully works for me, I"ll give it a wirl.

No, Rainman. Some people believe you can have an out of body experience, but don't believe in the Astral Plane or Astral Projection. Some people don't believe there is anything mystic to it, such as AP.

What he said was perfectly logical, and fits a rather large number of people here on DV.

Second, how the HELL was he insulting anyone or anything? How was he being an asshole?

^ Exactly.

An OBE is only an out-of-body experience that can be interpreted many ways; the only definition is that it feels like you have left your body. The reason why I doubt these as AP are mainly because even though OBEs are very vivid and convincing, they still follow the same laws as LDs. Unless I can repeatedly come up with real time evidence of actual travel of some sort, I cannot jump to any conclusions other than what logic and my heart tells me.

I have had only one real time experience when I was younger, and it was actually during a normal dream that I saw something happening in real time. This is still not enough to draw such conclusions. The mind is quite a mystery. Sure, there may be people who have enough personal evidence to believe in AP, and I think that is great. I have to admit that it is a beautiful idea whether it be true or not.

I tried the finger pulling thing in a LD I had. What happened was It pulled me out of the dream to blackness and it felt like I was pushing myself up from the bed, it felt really real so real that I thought I really woke up so I went back to sleep. But it happened in my old bedroom so it was like a false awakaning but a very realistic one I felt everything.