Sooooooo.........

Ive been doing WILD and WBTB for a while now with no success. Ive posted about it not working or anything and received little help on getting better. But ive gained new insight on the issue.

From my previous experience, WILD happens to me in this sequence:

1) Turn off lights, lay down and get comfortable

2) Close eyes and lay completely still. Play dead.

3) Not sleep paralysis, but body gets numb. No HI

4) Feeling slightly weird, like i took the laughing gas at the dentist

5) Counted to 600 using 1 im dreaming, 2 im dreaming

6) Still 100% mentally awake. RC often, still physically awake.

7) Very very small not noticable twitches. I ignore it and continue to get to the HI with no results.

8) I get bored and roll over and sleep.



Ive read just about every tutorial i can find. Nothing improved so far.

I really need get the hang of lucid dreaming. My life is pretty rough right now and i really need the break. I dont want to turn to drugs an alcohol, so dreaming is my best bet.

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omg exactly same thing as me!!!! :( :( :(

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Originally Posted by peanut_butter

omg exactly same thing as me!!!! :( :( :(

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have you read this? http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=41627 there are alot of links to ALOT of WILD tutorials at the bottom. :)

i also didnt see you mention anything about a wbtb. if you arent using wbtb when you WILD already, start using it. it helps :wink:

as for me, i use something called your "hidden observer". its hard to do at first, but you get used to it after awhile. I learned it from here http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=28818 is basicly letting go of consciousness. You hang on to the tiniest bit to pull you back. :)

edit: its blade5x's tutorial just so you know. thought i should give credit :)

If you're finding you become too aware to fall asleep again, try not turning lights on, just relax when you wake up. Also it sounds like you're stressed, we all feel it occasionally, but apparently stress is one of the biggest factors is messing up your LD attempts as well as Dream Recall, try some meditation or something.

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Originally Posted by freefire

have you read this? http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=41627 there are alot of links to ALOT of WILD tutorials at the bottom. :)

i also didnt see you mention anything about a wbtb. if you arent using wbtb when you WILD already, start using it. it helps :wink:

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Ive read that all, practically memorized every tutorial available. And I am using WBTB. Im out of ideas :bang:

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Originally Posted by Ocelot

If you're finding you become too aware to fall asleep again, try not turning lights on, just relax when you wake up. Also it sounds like you're stressed, we all feel it occasionally, but apparently stress is one of the biggest factors is messing up your LD attempts as well as Dream Recall, try some meditation or something.

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I dont turn on the lights. I dont even stay up for more than 10 mins. I get up to the alarm, use the restroom, get a drink of water and go back to bed.

As for stress, your probably right on that one. Not only do i feel like :bang: , but i want to take a hummer, and drive it into 50 walls.

I get the same kind of problem. I WBTB, and if I stay up too long, I can't go back to sleep. In fact, if I stay up AT ALL, I pretty much kill my chances for a WILD. I end up counting into infinity with no success and have to fall asleep the normal way.

The closest I ever got was from trying to WILD without a WBTB, where I actually got to sleep paralysis. I never got that far again.

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6) Still 100% mentally awake. RC often, still physically awake.

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dont RC often. You are supposed to be trying to sleep. and maybe you should try being less mentally awake. bring it down to like 15% or somthing. WILD is just trying to go to sleep. The only difference is that you are conscious. :)

the only other advice i can give you is to adjust your WBTB time. somtimes 5 hours just doesnt work for some people.

Only wait. How many LDs have you had again? if you havent had any at all, i strongly advise you to try another easier technique. Lucid dreaming is hard to comprehend if you have never had one before. The experience is quite amazing and overwellming. Same with WILD. Its hard to comprehend if you havent had one before. I can only imagine what it must be like trying to WILD without having a lucid dream before.

WILD is like walking a maze. You constantly are getting lost and retracing your steps and trying new paths to get to the end. Trying to WILD without having lucid dreamed, is like trying to walk that maze blindfolded :(

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Originally Posted by HakktHazard

The closest I ever got was from trying to WILD without a WBTB, where I actually got to sleep paralysis. I never got that far again.

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Same with me, Ive gotten the numbness feeling always, But only got to real SP once.

And i cant seem to get to that stage again, I don't know what I am doing wrong. Ill count to infinite like you said, and I will still be awake. The thing is, i dont stay up at all, most of the time I don't even get out of bed, i just snooze the alarm and go back to sleep. Rarely i go to the restroom or get water.

The time it did happen, if anybody is curious, i can explain how i felt and what i did.
This first time I did not use WBTB, but I tried to WILD from first going to bed before getting any sleep. And surprisingly it was the only time that i entered SP. Sooo:

I went to bed at around midnight, and went straight into trying to WILD. I played dead and focused on staying awake.

My fingers became numb, then my hands, then feet/legs, eventually i was pretty much very very numb and "out of it" feeling.

I had trouble keeping my eyes closed, and had to blink every few minutes. I didnt see any HI. Eventually after feeling very numb.. I started seeing purple and colorful abstract .. not pictures, but more like... just.. color. Only in the corner of my eyes. It was like what you see when you black out if you ever ran so much that u almost faint. Your vision blacks out and you see random colors. SOrt of the same thing.

Then I couldnt move what so ever and i felt very very numb. It was as if i was drugged to where movement is impossible. After i counted and concentrated for so long, i was very very bored and decided to see what would happen if i jumped out of bed.

And i did. It felt amazing for about 2 minutes, i wasnt dreaming i did a RC. It felt like i had a very very strong body high.

Then it wore off, and i went back to bed.


THats the story of the ONLY SP i ever got..

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Originally Posted by freefire

dont RC often. You are supposed to be trying to sleep. and maybe you should try being less mentally awake. bring it down to like 15% or somthing. WILD is just trying to go to sleep. The only difference is that you are conscious. :)

the only other advice i can give you is to adjust your WBTB time. somtimes 5 hours just doesnt work for some people.

Only wait. How many LDs have you had again? if you havent had any at all, i strongly advise you to try another easier technique. Lucid dreaming is hard to comprehend if you have never had one before. The experience is quite amazing and overwellming. Same with WILD. Its hard to comprehend if you havent had one before. I can only imagine what it must be like trying to WILD without having a lucid dream before.

WILD is like walking a maze. You constantly are getting lost and retracing your steps and trying new paths to get to the end. Trying to WILD without having lucid dreamed, is like trying to walk that maze blindfolded :(

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Actually ive had 2 lucid dreams before, both DILD. And as for the RC's, i didnt do them too often so that i am distracted and awake. I just bit my tongue every 10 minutes or so, and if that worked or if my mouth was numb, id lift my tongue so that it blocks the air passage and i try to breathe.

Hey fellow Texan,

You should try the MILD method first. Much easier to get results when you're just starting out. Then when you have a few under your belt, WILDing will be easier.

Edit: I see you've had a few DILDs before. In that case I still say work on the MILD method for inducing DILDs. Get it down so that you gain some confidence then proceed to WILD. Most important is being consistant with keeping a dream journal. Look for patterns in your journal and do RCs when those things appear in real life.

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Hey fellow Texan,

You should try the MILD method first. Much easier to get results when you're just starting out. Then when you have a few under your belt, WILDing will be easier.

Edit: I see you've had a few DILDs before. In that case I still say work on the MILD method for inducing DILDs. Get it down so that you gain some confidence then proceed to WILD. Most important is being consistant with keeping a dream journal. Look for patterns in your journal and do RCs when those things appear in real life.

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Im trying that tonight, i did maybe 500 RCs today. I wrote RC on my hand, and everytime i saw it i did a RC.

PLEASE GOD LET ME HAVE A LUCID DREAM :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

It looks like I have the exact same situation as you.

In fact, I think I'm going to go for a MILD as well. WILDs just don't seem to work for me.

Good luck moe.

Tonight Im gonna try to WILD with Seeker's TEchnique.

If you get passed like 200, I think you might want to stop the counting and just slowly say to yourself I am dreaming.

I also don't really see HI or colors, and I was very close to a SP once but I freaked out. But still I saw no real shapes or anything.

If all else fails you might want to try some B6? It sounds like your doing alot, so just keep trying.

Usually when I count I go to maybe 10 or 20 and then reverse back to 1 and so on. Not as many syllables and doesn't keep my mind too awake. The reverse does keep the mind awake a bit...just not enough to stop me from dreaming. It's easy for me to get SP this way. Sp is weird because for me it seems like I can't even swallow.

Sometimes I'll realize that I've been counting gibberish and dreaming then I'll continue the count and try to find where the edge of the dream comes in. I will figure it out one of these days.

I haven't wilded yet either, so take my advice with a grain of salt. Remember when counting that the numbers don't really matter. They're only to keep your mind occupied and aware as you fall asleep. Don't stress about remembering exactly where you left off when you get sidetracked. I've found that counting only the thirties is the most relaxing for me. When I started, I would go up to 150 before I got sick of it and gave up. It was keeping me too awake. Now, I've been drifting off without actually WILDing, but it's still better than laying awake for 2 hours. It does give me some fairly good non-lucids. Also, for me, repeating "I'm dreaming" only keeps me more awake so I can't fall asleep.

Moe, have you tried brainwave entrainment? I've used it since I started trying to WILD, and have noticed that when I don't use it, I don't get so strong vibrations. If you have a PSP that you can play homebrew on, try getting the Portable Meditation Engine from PSPupdates.com. Or you can get Brainwave Generator for use on your computer. There are lucid dreaming presets you can download for that one. For the PSP, I use my own that takes me down from 8 Hz to 4 really fast, then slowly back up to 6, then fast down to 4. I'm still tweaking it. I think 8 Hz may be too much. It wakes me up.

Well, the MILD didn't work because I couldn't remember my dream. Of course, I'm just beginning to get my recall back up to what it used to be (1-3 dreams remembered a night. Right now I can't even remember one full dream.)

I think I might try a FILD instead of WILD, I got a (half) success with that one.