Another WILD questioin

i have been reading a lot on the forum about WILDing and i am still confused as to what i am suppose to feel. i have gotten to the point where my mind is isolated into my head and i see the swirls under my eye lids, i am not sure if i was under SP because i did feel very heavy and felt vibrations and movements but i was to afraid to move to see check if i was dreaming. i waiting at this stage for close to an hour and i have no idea where should go from there. i tried visualizing myself being on a beach, falling out of my body, floating to the ceiling but nothing worked. also keep in mind i just a few days ago so im not expecting to get it down now im just curious as to what i am supposed to do after that point:boogie:

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Originally Posted by Spinagolz

i have been reading a lot on the forum about WILDing and i am still confused as to what i am suppose to feel. i have gotten to the point where my mind is isolated into my head and i see the swirls under my eye lids, i am not sure if i was under SP because i did feel very heavy and felt vibrations and movements but i was to afraid to move to see check if i was dreaming. i waiting at this stage for close to an hour and i have no idea where should go from there. i tried visualizing myself being on a beach, falling out of my body, floating to the ceiling but nothing worked. also keep in mind i just a few days ago so im not expecting to get it down now im just curious as to what i am supposed to do after that point:boogie:

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Hey man, I find myself with the same problem. Lastnight though I feel that I got closer than ever (sleep paralisis) when my entire body felt really weird, kinda energetic feeling yet I was very relaxed. Though I'm not sure what to do from that point either.

It seems like you're supposed to stay relaxed and clear-minded until you find yourself in the dream state but I feel that I may be to anxious to enter the dream state that It's keeping me awake or something.

I too would enjoy seeing some answers to this thread.

There are answers to this but unfortunately they're scattered all over the forum!:eek:

yeah i figured that it would be somewhere but i looked around and couldnt find any answers

Have you tried the tutorial section? I'm off to bed now.
Ciao!

yeah ive read all of the articles about WILDs in the tutorial section it really doesnt describe what im supposed to feel well enough for me... maybe im just retarded :embarrassed:

I've had the same problem :oops: I've gotten to pretty vague HI but nothing more, although i think if you just kept a clear head and DON'T wonder when you will go into a dream, (a tip from BillyBob which i thought might be helpful) maybe try a few techniques out in the meantime(visualizing scenery,falling through the bed etc) and hopefully you'll either strike a technique that works or just randomly fall in to a dream:D.

Also if you haven't got a LD yet just stay determined, I'm a newb and I've just got my 1st 2 LD's yesterday morning.

Good Luck with future WILDing and LDing in general:D

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Originally Posted by shrimpster

I've had the same problem :oops: I've gotten to pretty vague HI but nothing more, although i think if you just kept a clear head and DON'T wonder when you will go into a dream, (a tip from BillyBob which i thought might be helpful) maybe try a few techniques out in the meantime(visualizing scenery,falling through the bed etc) and hopefully you'll either strike a technique that works or just randomly fall in to a dream:D.

Also if you haven't got a LD yet just stay determined, I'm a newb and I've just got my 1st 2 LD's yesterday morning.

Good Luck with future WILDing and LDing in general:D

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Thanks dude. That should help.

Just out of curiosity, what did you do to get your first LD?

I think I seriously just spent 30mins-hour trying to enter sleep paralysis. It was like 2 AM before I got to sleep though, so maybe all I need is some good rest? I did a Wake Back to Bed of like 4hours 30 mins, sipped some water, went to bathroom, then back to the bed. I went over relaxation techniques first to get myself relaxed. I then spent the next 30mins to an hour just laying, breathing, getting more and more relaxed, feeling my body get heavier and heavier, started seeing flashes of light in my visual perception, but I still felt no physical sensations that lead to sleep paralysis.

Upon finally decided to call it a night, I paid particular attention to how my body felt upon shifting positions. When I moved my body I could tell it felt locked into its position, weighed down, relaxed, and constricted, so I needed to do a big stretch. It feels like my body was pretty close to sleep paralysis because initially it took more effort then normal to switch positions and I felt the above, but it was not FULL sleep paralysis.

You see as a kid I would wake up still in sleep paralysis stage sometimes, so I KNOW what it feels like to be in it fully, you can't move, you can't scream/yell...etc. However, I've never felt the in between stages of sleep paralysis, so I'm in your situation where I'm kinda sorta guessing what I should be feeling.

I've just got to do some more testing and figure out if its a matter of not being "disconnected" from my mind enough, or what?

I would love some insight on this. I think I will meditate on it today(that's my forte, no problems there).

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Originally Posted by dtrevinofl

I think I seriously just spent 30mins-hour trying to enter sleep paralysis. It was like 2 AM before I got to sleep though, so maybe all I need is some good rest? I did a Wake Back to Bed of like 4hours 30 mins, sipped some water, went to bathroom, then back to the bed. I went over relaxation techniques first to get myself relaxed. I then spent the next 30mins to an hour just laying, breathing, getting more and more relaxed, feeling my body get heavier and heavier, started seeing flashes of light in my visual perception, but I still felt no physical sensations that lead to sleep paralysis.

Upon finally decided to call it a night, I paid particular attention to how my body felt upon shifting positions. When I moved my body I could tell it felt locked into its position, weighed down, relaxed, and constricted, so I needed to do a big stretch. It feels like my body was pretty close to sleep paralysis because initially it took more effort then normal to switch positions and I felt the above, but it was not FULL sleep paralysis.

You see as a kid I would wake up still in sleep paralysis stage sometimes, so I KNOW what it feels like to be in it fully, you can't move, you can't scream/yell...etc. However, I've never felt the in between stages of sleep paralysis, so I'm in your situation where I'm kinda sorta guessing what I should be feeling.

I've just got to do some more testing and figure out if its a matter of not being "disconnected" from my mind enough, or what?

I would love some insight on this. I think I will meditate on it today(that's my forte, no problems there).

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Yeah man you basically just described the situation I'm in. It's a bitch is it not?
I can't seem to get past deep relaxation.

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Originally Posted by Sony86

Yeah man you basically just described the situation I'm in. It's a bitch is it not?
I can't seem to get past deep relaxation.

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Yup, that's why I'm glad I saw your post. The more people in the same situation(demand) the more information will be revealed(supply) =)

As for now, the only thing we can really do is "keep doing it". Sure this was only my 3rd attempt and I don't really have room to complain, but I feel since I've been meditating since a kid it really helps with relaxation and everything. In reality, all we need to do, is just do it, and just keep doing it, and do it some more. It'll happen eventually. However, I believe with a better understanding you and me will be able to WILD sooner, rather then later. That's what I would love for this post to accomplish :bowdown:

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Originally Posted by Sony86

Thanks dude. That should help.

Just out of curiosity, what did you do to get your first LD?

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Well it was a bit of a mix, but anyway I woke up naturally at about 6am to WILD(thought I would of gotten up earlier as I usually wake up half-way through the night)and attempted to WILD for an hour unsuccessfully, anyway I fell back asleep later and had a FA where I did the hand RC, I had 8 fingers,(I do RC's whenever I wake up incase of FA's) and I quickly left that dream and had a DEILD as I vaguely remember waking up for about 5-10 seconds..the DEILD was short too..:embarrassed:

Sounds like you just need to let yourself fall asleep. If you don't fall asleep within an hour then you must actually be preventing yourself from sleeping during your attempt. I haven't read the tutorials, so I may not know what I'm talking about, but it probably should only take you as long to WILD as it normally takes you to fall asleep. Actually I find that I'm more likely to be successful if it takes me a shorter time than usual to fall asleep. I suggest waiting until you don't feel completely conscious before trying whatever technique you're using.

Ive had 4 DILD all from RC
0 WILD's 4 attempts 20-50mis long each
SP once but that was not intentional, i thought i heard someone come into my room and sit on my bed but i was unable to open my eyes or turn my head towards them, this was about 6 months ago before i had started practicing LD


i want someone to post all the stages that you go through when attempting WILD

So far i have experienced; Tingling body, numb body but still able to move, possible vibrations, bright orbs of light, racing heart beat and twitches.

im yet to fall into the dream state :(

last night i woke up from a 5 hour sleep at around 4am, i got up had a sip of my drink held my nose to make sure i could not breath and to be sure it wasnt a FA, got back into bed laid on my back and attempted to WILD. First i tried to iscolate my body parts and then detatch them starting from my toes and working up to my neck (i have trouble with my face/head as my eyelids tend to flicker and i have to swallow). my body Felt really light after i had done this then after about 10 mins started to feel heavy. i was concentrating on the back of my eyelids but faild to get any lights ect.. :(
However, earlier last night i read a post where someone had mentioned that they try and rock themselves out of there body and into a dream and strangly this morning this morning (10am) when i was attempting another WILD i had a faint memory of me rocking and sort of falling out of my body. This leads me to believe that last night when i attempted to WILD i was succsessfull i just didnt manage to concentrate once in my dream world.

this post has gone on alot longer than i intended and my pizza is here now so im going to stop tapping aaway :D

I think I've worked this whole thing out...

Since I've been attempting WILDs, it seems like the fact that I'm conciously trying to WILD is preventing me from falling asleep because it keeps my mind too active. It's sort of counter-intuitive.

I think you have to keep as calm as possible, think as little as possible, and go to bed under the impression that you're going to go to sleep, not that you're going to try to WILD.

When you're falling asleep, you want to sort of pay attention to (but not really think about) what your body is going through to get to sleep. I think people stress to much over trying to get everything right and that prevents them from being able to pass out correctly. I think the whole WILD technique needs a lot of practice to succeed properly. I'm pretty sure we all just think too much about what we're doing when we're trying to sleep and that's what makes us fail. We have to figure out what it is we're doing before we can do it. (If that makes any sense).

If we try to fall asleep whilst calmly paying attention, I'm sure we'd get better results. I had a go with this last night and I felt the effects of SP quicker than usual. I can feel my head return to full awareness when I try to think "am I doing it right?" which is bad, because then your mind just gets woken up again. The less you think, the faster you fall asleep. (That's my theory anyway).

Does anyone catch my drift? Too much awareness causes you to stay awake.

When I tried this last night, it seemed like I had cracked what had been making me fail. Only, I fell alseep faster than I expected.. I figure I need more practice before I can really say for sure.

Defiantly agree with ya sony.. I used to have such troubles but now its cake.. Its a matter of personal preference. I really dont believe you can follow a tutorial word for word and succeed for 2 reasons.. They are generally tailored for the individual who wrote it, and also you tend to overthink everything you read and try to relate it to your past experiences which may completly condradict what the tutorial is really trying to get accross.

Dont get me wrong, I effing love the tutorials on here.. I think people just need to stop over thinking it, and experiment personally. I wouldn't be where I am today if I didn't read every tutorial on here and find out what works for me personally.. Everyone is different and you really need to tailor your own method using all the amazing resources found on the site. Theres so many different ways of doing it its not even funny :).

One of my favorite things to do is one that I found while attempting a FALD using a golf ball as my object to focus on. The method itself didnt prove to work for me very well, but what I noticed was as I slipped farther and farther into SP I lost almost all awareness of the golf ball.

I knew it was there, because I wasnt in "full" sp yet, but I could no longer feel the texture or weight through tactile sensations. The object almost felt fuzzy like a small tenis ball, if anything. I have been testing this lately and personally its one of the easiest "reality" checks, although it has failed once or twice before as well (Which resulted in a missed FA, not the first time thats happened though). But instead of having to think about specific parts of my body and such to gauge the level of relaxation, I can focus on the ball itself. Its weird to describe this, but after like a week it feels like a very gradual stage of loss of awareness. Its just one of the things I do in the process, but I've found it doesnt distract me, but its easy to keep enough attention on it.

How or why it works doesnt really matter, doesn't apply much to the post, but it works very well for me.. Simple example is all, learn all you can and you will find something that is just perfect for you :)

just tried again for an hour, feel into semi-sp where my whole body felt numb, i couldnt judge where my body parts where like half way throught i assumed my hand was resting on top of the other and it wasnt till i finaly gave up i realised my hands were by my side lol

i know i havn't been in full sp yet because when i eventually give up (longest so far is 1hr 20min) i try and move my whole body suddenly and altho it feels very stiff like ive been asleep and just woke up, i can still completley move it.

somethign ive noticed i do allot whilst trying to WILD is once im very relaxed and feel as tho im about 5 mins away from falling asleep i think certan muscles randomly tense up, it makes that body part feel heavier but then i can tell my muscles are tense and then when i relax them my body goes back to how it was.

is this a positive thing? or do i just need to turn my brain of more.

in my last WILD attempt i made my face go numb also, i felt this helped allot and i soon forgot about swallowing, im not sure if i stoped making saliva or if i was auto swallowing and not noticing lol.

dam a lot of replies since i last check anyway

woke up this morning at 4 ready to try a wbtb but my nose felt to congested so i couldnt concentrate. what do you guys think my chances of a WILD in the middle of the day be. the farthest ive gotten ( with HI vibrations and falling feeling) has been at 6 pm:shock:

I agree with sony as I haven't gotten anywhere with my previous WILD attempts, I'll try and do what your explaining..

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Originally Posted by shrimpster

I agree with sony as I haven't gotten anywhere with my previous WILD attempts, I'll try and do what your explaining..

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Not only to do have to relax your body very thoroughly before WILDing, you also have you relax your mind quite well if you want to fall asleep (Concious or not). The trick is to pay attention to what you're feeling, not question everything.

I just tried WILDing again lastnight but the fact that I had some stupid song stuck in my head kept me awake for hours (literally), which in turn got me super frustrated and now I'm only running on a half-night's sleep. I did manage and remember a dream I had at the end of the night though, so it wasn't a total loss like some of my other WILD attempting nights.

I have tried WILDin the past 2nights now.

The first night I spent an hour relaxin and tryin to get sp. I gave up becuase I had a serious itch that wouldn't go :[

Last night I tried again. I was lay there for about 2 hours :( I get to the stage of my body feelin like it has dissapeared after about 20mins... but then what?? it doesn't feel like sp because I could have moved if I wanted to.

I also got the shivers twice.

My body was all dissapeared and when the shivvers came over my numb body it was crazy like shaking but numb. :D

Is there a discription on the vibrations because I dont understand what Im suppose to feel either :[

I can LD but only when already in a dream. I really want to experience entering a dream lucid. :D

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Originally Posted by Lunica

I have tried WILDin the past 2nights now.

The first night I spent an hour relaxin and tryin to get sp. I gave up becuase I had a serious itch that wouldn't go :[

Last night I tried again. I was lay there for about 2 hours :( I get to the stage of my body feelin like it has dissapeared after about 20mins... but then what?? it doesn't feel like sp because I could have moved if I wanted to.

I also got the shivers twice.

My body was all dissapeared and when the shivvers came over my numb body it was crazy like shaking but numb. :D

Is there a discription on the vibrations because I dont understand what Im suppose to feel either :[

I can LD but only when already in a dream. I really want to experience entering a dream lucid. :D

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What you feel before SP is slighly varied for everyone. Any vibrations/tingling at all is a sign of incoming SP.

While I'm by far no expert, I have had over 15 WILD's or really OBE's but WILD's work the same way, I do not worry about sleep paralysis. The trick for me is to be tired enough to want to fall asleep but not so tired that I fall into a deep sleep, it is tricky though, and I have only recently got to the point where I can usually do it once a week, and then with the help of some sort of supplement, I try a lot of different things. And I usually need to wake up in the middle of the night, or from a dream for it to work.

But when it works it works rapidly, no more than 10 minutes after waking, if I just lay there for a long time, it is rare that anything will happen, I'll either just stay awake, or will eventually fall asleep. Also my experiences usually happen from full consiousness after waking up, I will just feel as if I am seperating from my body, there is usually a sound like a wooshing noise, like I am taking in a huge breath of air, sometimes, but not always, there is intense vibrations, and sometimes there are sounds, I once heard what sounded like pots and pans banging. Then if all goes well I can will myself to float out of my body, or just jump out of bed and be out. I sometimes have to open my astral eyes, this may sound strange, but when this happens it is just as if I have to literally open my eyes, which at first feels hard to do in order to see.

I suppose I am in sleep paralysis when I do this, but I don't know, I just lay still, and concentrate on trying to get out. One thing that can help is tensing and relaxing each muscle in your body before going to bed or if you wake up in the night, do this and then relax, think you want ot OBE or LD and try to stay in a sleepy state, I say forget worrying about SP. It should work rapidly, if it doesn't perhaps it would be better to set an alarm for an hour latter, try to stay awake 10 minutes or so then go to sleep, wake up and try again an hour latter