I think SP is not as scary as it can be when we go through it before dream state, because most of the time we don't know we are paralysed as we are half-lucid half-asleep and so don't tend to move about; at least not at our own will.:banana:
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I think SP is not as scary as it can be when we go through it before dream state, because most of the time we don't know we are paralysed as we are half-lucid half-asleep and so don't tend to move about; at least not at our own will.:banana:
Oh come on its not that bad, well not for me at least
One of the things I can suggest is picking up a "Bring it on!" attitude, maybe perhaps getting a passive-agressive, warrior stance towards what comes up.
I've also had some nasty experiences with SP. Actually, it was more of the HI that comes with it. In my youth, I used to see these eyeballs with bands around the irises that resembles the colors of the rainbow. And it was severely freaky. It led me to drink warm milk before bedtime, hoping to calm myself. I did that for about half a year.
Like someone stated earlier, try to turn the tables on the HI (like the vampire wanting your blood thing). Personally, if I see the Banded Eye, I just stretch it out and it disappears. Don't let it bother you. I think it's a bit of a confidence thing.
I hope I helped.
the truth is you have to bite the bullet and go through with it. SP used to freak me out b4 I was even into LDingin the 6th grade b/c i didnt know what was happening 2 me; i used to see/feel the wierdest/scariest shit u could imagine. but once i realized that it was somewhat normal and that a lot of people experience it too, i knew it couldnt harm me and got over it. :)
thats also why im very good at WILDing b/c i already have experience with SP.
Number 1 rule of the Internet, guys: Don't feed the trolls.
On topic, I can sort of relate to what you're going through. What I mean is, instead of being scared as I approach SP, I feel a sense of accomplishment and joy because I know I'm about to reach my goal. Consequently, this causes me to smile and lose the whole process completely. I can tell I'm on the verge of it, but the little bit of happiness in my brain forces a smile out. Someone gave me the advice of just thinking of something very soothing while you're in that state, and I guess the same advice would work for you. Just think of a warm, sunny beach with aquamarine waves crashing on the pale, sandy coast.
Good luck with it, I'm pretty much in the same boat.
who is this "drewmandon" clown? guy needs to wise up. Anyways, if you dont want to experience those things then dont bother with the method, case closed. People can say all they want about "dont worry", and "its not real", or worse yet "get over it" but these are just DREAMS they are less real than reality tv shows and if it starts effecting you life in any negative way than I would just forget about wilding (I'd say the fact that they made you scared enough to make this thread is enough), dreams aren't worth any discomfort at anytime.
I've had SP before I even knew anything about lucid dreaming or what SP was. It was kind of scary, but mostly for the sensations of not being able to move. I have seen some mildly weird things before (for instance my bedroom door opening by itself as a hypnagogic hallucination) and in those cases, I was easily able to realize that I could just wake myself up if I wanted to.
After I learned what it was, the weird things stopped during SP and I wasn't scared as much. I saw it more as something interesting to experience.
I know how you feel though, I have heard some horror stories too but I tend to think if you've never experienced anything that bad during SP before, you're probably not the type of person that sees that stuff and you may never experience it. But like a lot of other people say, once you treat it with less anxiety and more control, it's easier to get over the fear of it.
Try to remember anything you may see is all coming out of your own imagination, so it can only ever be as bad as the worst you can think up, and depending on how lucid you are you have some control over what you see as well.
It isn't that scary... haven't experienced (and I don't want to lol) hallucinations. My 1st one was quite cool :D, I woke up hearing a beeping/buzz noise and was like "WTF!?" I tried to move my arm but couldn't and said in my mind "Omg this is a SP... I am not ready for it WAKE UP WAKE UP!!!". I couldn't open my eyelids, wasn't that scared... only not prepared :D . My 2nd one was even cooler; "Wow I am having a SP again" tried to move my leg "Cool!!" then somehow I didn't woke up... I ended up sleeping :( ... Believe me, you couldn't be more scared as I was before :D .
I sympathize and agree with you wholeheartedly; hypnogogia is as real as real can get (when experiencing it). . .I've come to expect it, of course. . .but to wake up staring at a little kid standing next to my bed, is hardly something to laugh at . . .in fact, I can't think of anything scarier. . .and I'm quite sure this fear stops me from expanding on my dreaming practices as well. . .pathic or not. its a completely different form of conciousness; hardly like encountering a zombie in a resident evil game or something. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by KingRoyw
haha, its terrible my whole family has become used to my very frequent screams of terror whenever I encounter a hypnogic something-or-another. . . whether they be spiders, little kids, or just people stopping by to say hello. . .you can't get used to that. . .and, well. . .kudos to the people who are.
I've WILDed probably 5 times (I mostly DILD, but will probably WILD more since I think it's better, imo), and the most I've heard was a voice. You're too tired to actually care anyways.
The "Old Hag" stuff is stupid, as if a monster is literally (well, you know what I mean) going to come and sit on your chest or yell in your ear or something. I know it can happen, but how often can that happen? Hasn't happened to me yet. Even if it did, you're bound to be so relaxed that it really wouldn't matter anyways.
It's nowhere near as bad as hallucinating when waking up from sleep, which you don't have to worry about with this. Even with this, I just laugh now because it's happened so many times. I just try to punch whatever I see in the face and it goes away. The same is true with WILDing, in the sense that once you do it many times, it won't matter anymore because you're so used to it.
Anyway, this is from my own personal experience. Take it how you want.
I've had a similar problem with WILDing. Once I start to feel SP, my mind starts to think about too much stuff, and I get excited, then SP fades away. I'm going to try just focusing on my breathing next time and hopefully keep my mind calm.
I disagree, my dreams are way more real than anything on TV. Most of the time, I actually mistake them for reality they are so real.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZmillA
I am new to the forums, so I'm not sure what many of you're abbreviations mean. (What's wild?). I can tell you that I have had some pretty terrifying experiences from SP, probably some of the most terrifying experiences of my life. (I have also had some pretty intense ecstatic experiences, which can be a different kind of terror) People who say "just get over it" or "think happy thoughts" have obviously never experienced SP. Also, thinking SP can't hurt you is not true either. Psychological damage can be pretty intense.
As for the users who say face it head on, they are absolutely right. Facing your worst fear and learning from it gives you a great inner strength.
I also found studying the scientific basis as to why SP happens very helpful. Did you know 30% of the population experiences SP at least once in their lifetime. You're not alone.
Just let the SP run it's course. If you're having a frightening experience, there must be some dark part of your pysche that's trying to come to light. Think about your life and try to understand what your demons are, only then can you dispell them.
Also, I have to add that it pretty frustrating reading post from people who don't understand this experience. Instead of calling it "stupid" or "not real", why not try and learn from the people who have actually experienced SP.
When I would enter SP, I would see a large demon made of black smoke with red eyes standing at my door, then eventually floating directly above me and screaming. The whole experience feels "real" while you are in it. Throughout most of my childhood, I thought I was actually plagued by ghosts and demons. Only when I began majoring in psychology did I really understand what was happening to me. Even then, I still felt terrorized in the middle of SP, however, I could wake the next morning and evaluate and understand my experienced.
The good news is, most people who SP also LD and have other gifts of that sort. A blessing with a curse, I guess.
I heard somewhere that 100% of the population experiences sleep paralysis. Most are just not aware of it as they experience it. As for the safety of it, there's nothing to fear but fear itself. As simple of it sounds, just thinking happy thoughts, or "getting over it" is all you have to do. Try accepting the fear as just part of the experience, and see where it takes you.
the same happens to me, i am not going to try wild any more, any way, theres more ways to get a lucid dream
Well, I'll respond as I think I'm one who said, "think happy thoughts" in some sense of the phrase. I understand it's not exceptionally easy to do, sort of like saying, "just believe and want to do X," but that's basically the crux of the matter. I have had SP before and it was a terrifying ordeal, not due to any demons, as there were none, but due to the nature of the reality that was constructed in the state. I was seeing the world through a perspective that was allowed full reality due to the half-sleep nature of the event, yet was seeing the world that I knew to be "real" and objective. The lens my mind had was terrifying in what it created, or more aptly what it lacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by hermine_hesse
What that lens was is irrelevant. It was the fixation on that lens that perpetuated the experience, and it was my decision to force a new, or old, perspective that ended the experience. Along those lines, when I was younger I believed in ghosts and was quite afraid of the dark. This fear was perpetuated through fixation on the negative side of the dark and the negative possibilities that I felt confronted me. My fear subsided in two ways: when I simply ceased to focus on the possibilities all together, and when I chose instead to focus and believe in the positive possibilities and emotions. The former method would equate to waking from the SP state, and the latter to transforming it.
No, it is not easy to just "think happy thoughts" or "focus on the positives", especially when there is something terrifying there. But you have to remember that it is precisely your focusing on the negatives that is scaring you, that is making it so negative. My comments are not a step-by-step series of instructions, but a suggested direction. Just remember the other side of the coin also exists, and you have and can experience it just as easily, and it can be just as lasting and leave the same forceful impression.
What is WILD?
Reading this topic has made me scared. :( I was planning on trying it, but once I closed the lights and lay in bed I chickened out and went to sleep.
Some questions....How do you see the hallucinations in the dark? Do they just appear glowy and stuff?
And reading this stuff has made me recall on an experience I had a few times the past few years. While I was falling asleep, my heart started thumping like crazy and my heart rate got super high, and all the blood was pounding in my head. Really scary. At first I thought I was having a heart attack, but when it went away I just kinda forgot about it and went to sleep. Happened a few times. Do you think it has anything to do with sleep paralysis?
My only suggestion in regards to fear. Is to look at exactly what your afraid of. Are you afraid of feeling out of control? Or are you afraid of what you might see?
I've never had a WILD dream, atleast nothing that I think was one.
Maybe this experience I had will help you out... I "woke up" one morning, it was about 5am, it was foggy outside and casting a white light into my bedroom. I don't know what you would consider this, but it was a surreal experience. I think I was dreaming and it slowly faded into me being awake. But anyways I opened my eyes and saw my room flooded with a white light. I looked down at my hand which was very soft looking. I couldnt see like my knuckles or any of the "imperfections" you have on your skin. I was opening and closing my hand into a fist very lightly, and my fingers looked really strange. Almost longer than normal. I began to sit up slowly, again taking in my surroundings of my bedroom. It was the weirdest thing I've ever experienced. I honestly thought I was dying. I couldnt feel anything in my body, it was just a extremly relaxing soft feeling. I slowly started to see clearly, to the point where I woke up entirely.
It's so hard to put into words, but I tried my best. But I bring it up, because I thought I was dying, which ultimatly should be the biggest fear. And it was incredibly relaxing and peaceful.
I know it sounds sort of morbid almost and I have no idea why It happened.