Too Afriad to WILD :(

I've accomplished a WILD before, but now I'm too afraid to even attempt it again. I've accomplished it waking after 5 hours of sleep, and entered SP directly from going to bed at night (around 12 PM when I normally sleep)

On certain nights, I have an extremely certain feeling that I can enter SP easily. I also know when I will not be able to enter SP... its because I'm not relaxed enough or too frustrated. On the nights I know SP is easy, I feel like I somewhat am about to enter SP (things like I can't feel my hands, or I start to hallucinate mildly). Once I get these feelings I get sorta nervous and repress them, causing me not to enter SP.

I'm most nervous / scared of SP because of all the bad experiences I hear about it... and some of the weird experiences I've had with hypnagogia. I just don't want to be scared of odd noises or images. People (on this forum) have told me time and time again that I shouldn't be afraid because nothing can harm you. I know nothing can harm me but I still am afraid... I say that to myself during pre-SP in bed... but I'm still all freaked out. I'm not afraid of being hurt... its just those images / sounds are creepy, and just invoke fear in me.

Does anyone have advice that can help me conquer my fear of what scary things I may see / hear? I need something that will calm me and make me feel fearless in a time of hypnogogia. I just want to be at peace when attempting /experiencing SP. :(

Well this fear is not uncommon, I once had it as well (before I realized I just couldn't WILD easily :P). First you should try imagining other things to fill the gap, if your in contact with that hallucinegenic side of you, then it should be quite easy for you., you can use your tactile imagination to just walk right out of sp as fast as you can.

Also you should learn to not let dream imagery steer up emotion within you, if you see something scary like some zombie starts walking toward you, then try to instead of feeling scared react in a happy manner, the dream is only scary because your scared.

Quit, or get over it.

Do you get scared when you play video games? This is no different. It's not real. If you see something scary and unexpected, that means you're almost there.

So why don't you grow a pair.

What if its just scary images / sounds from hypnogogia? Just hearing / looking at them makes me feel creeped, and I know I can't make it go away mainly because its during hypnogogia, and you can't control hypnogogia. Do I just ignore it, tell myself its just my mind, or try to acknoledge it in a humorous fashion?

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Quit, or get over it.

Do you get scared when you play video games? This is no different. It's not real. If you see something scary and unexpected, that means you're almost there.

So why don't you grow a pair.

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If you aren't going to help, please do not post. Certainly you have never experienced anything close to SP before.

And you say this is no different from playing video games and seeing something scary there. I'll put it like this... you cannot determine what a roller coaster feels like or see how thrilling it is just by watching a video of it... you need to go on it for yourself.

I know what you're going through and you can't escape it, so stop trying to. It doesn't matter if you get all the reasons to get scared out of your head, as soon as paralysis sets in the fear will come instantly, even before the hallucinations start.

The only way to get rid of the fear is to experience it.

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

The only way to get rid of the fear is to experience it.

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Yeah I agree, look at it like asking a girl out, you'll never have a chance with her (or the LD) if you don't stand in fear, and you'll get better at it ofcourse.

The only thing you can do to overcome the fear of sleep paralysis is to face it head on. I could sit here all day and try to explain how safe it is but you would still be faced with the same feeling of anxiety when the time arrived.

The best thing you can do is willingly try to experience it on a night to night basis. Do not go into it afraid or overconfident; simply go to learn and explore. Take an open mind to the whole experience and you will come out of it that much more satisfied.

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Originally Posted by KingRoyw

If you aren't going to help, please do not post. Certainly you have never experienced anything close to SP before.

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Yes. Since I'm not afraid of the dark, I've never been in SP. Geez, you better hope no one tells you about exploding head syndrome. Oops.

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Originally Posted by KingRoyw

What if its just scary images / sounds from hypnogogia? Just hearing / looking at them makes me feel creeped, and I know I can't make it go away mainly because its during hypnogogia, and you can't control hypnogogia. Do I just ignore it, tell myself its just my mind, or try to acknoledge it in a humorous fashion?

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exactly. humor over it, it helps if you understand it too.

My only SP did not happen after a WILD, and not even after a NON-LD.

It happened in school; when I was preparing for my exam in the library.

I took a break cux I was knackered from late night; grabbed large comfy cushions and went to set them up on the floor and against the wall.

I rested there, and immediately (ok that's exaggerating but it makes the sentence look good XD) fell to semi-hynagogic state.

I fell alsleep; waking up occasionally; without having any dreams whatsoever that I can recall of.

After a while, I woke up from sleep. I tried to open my eyes but failed :eek:, and then after a lot of panicking I managed to open one eyelid LOL.

I was scared ****less and wanted to tell someone about it, but found out not only can I not open my voice, I can't even open my mouth, or in fact any of my body parts.

So I was there; sitting very still like a puppet panicking; with my soul moving its mouth talking, shouting "**** WTF is goin on!??!! SOMEONE HELP ME!!!!".

Moments later my limbs begin to restore functionality one-by-one. And I walked off as if nothing happened :)

For a moment I thought I was going to pass out.....It was surely one of the most frightening experiences I've been through, so I don't blame you for not daring to WILD cuz you tend to SP so much!!

But one thing that's for sure though, is that you WILL ALWAYS break free; the scary thing is it feels so bad while you're in SP and knowing full well you can't yell for help if you remain like this.

I suggest getting someone to sit next to you while you attempt to WILD, but I think only a REALLY good friend would sit there in the morning waiting for you to fall asleep. LMAO

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Quit, or get over it.

Do you get scared when you play video games? This is no different. It's not real. If you see something scary and unexpected, that means you're almost there.

So why don't you grow a pair.

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Alright, you are actually helping with what you say; but try NOT to diss the thread-starter when helping; cuz then you won't be. XD You might even tempt him to totally OWN you with his abusive comebacks .

Totally uncalled for and unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Yes. Since I'm not afraid of the dark, I've never been in SP. Geez, you better hope no one tells you about exploding head syndrome. Oops.

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Ok that's just a flaming comback; it's not even related to the subject and hardly understandable in english.
Please don't post potential SPAM content like this again.
And no offence but your "exploding head syndrome comeback" sucked cuz I don't know what the **** you were trying to say. XD

Can't people make one day without dissing someone with a normal problem for no reason? Forget that **** about growing a pair, instead.....grow up!!! SHEEESH!! People these days...*sigh*...

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Originally Posted by Sir Loin Tenderloin-Steak

Ok that's just a flaming comback; it's not even related to the subject and hardly understandable in english.
Please don't post potential SPAM content like this again.
And no offence but your "exploding head syndrome comeback" sucked cuz I don't know what the **** you were trying to say. XD

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My grammar was spot on, so maybe you should check what you think English is and correct it accordingly. As for exploding head syndrome, I must be very lucky because there happens to be a wikipage on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_head_syndrome

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

My grammar was spot on, so maybe you should check what you think English is and correct it accordingly. As for exploding head syndrome, I must be very lucky because there happens to be a wikipage on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_head_syndrome

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No one was on about your grammar. It is obvious that what you wrote made little sense, hence why I implicitly told you to get your english right.

As for the whole exploding head whatever****, 70% of the whole bloody world would not know what you were saying unless you were as pointless enough as to go email everyone in the world what you meant. LOL

Get out of your own lil world, and again- Grow Up, cuz you clearly are still failing to do so.

P.S. I'm not looking for a kiddy-fight like you here cuz I'm mature unlike you. But instead of cowardly shying away from my most obvious accusations & comebacks you should take me head-on since you clearly wants to; but cannot, for the above mentioned reason.

Don't even bother "coming back", just admit you were wrong and be nice to people; cuz you clearly lost the plot, "Tod"! XD

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Yes. Since I'm not afraid of the dark, I've never been in SP. Geez, you better hope no one tells you about exploding head syndrome. Oops.

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What does exploding head syndrome have to do with any of this? I've heard about it before. Please just keep to yourself and stay away from this forum if all you want to do is make sneering insults and prove your point.

Did your parents not pay enough attention to you when you were little? Did they yell at you a lot and possible beat you form time to time? I'm just wondering because normal people don't insult random people just for the fun of it. You seriously need to mature. Learn some manners that you were never taught by your parents.

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Originally Posted by Sir Loin Tenderloin-Steak

No one was on about your grammar. It is obvious that what you wrote made little sense, hence why I implicitly told you to get your english right.

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You explicitly told me, and what I said did make sense. Is there some part of it you're having trouble with?

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Originally Posted by Sir Loin Tenderloin-Steak

As for the whole exploding head whatever****, 70% of the whole bloody world would not know what you were saying unless you were as pointless enough as to go email everyone in the world what you meant. LOL

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Exploding head syndrome. It's a common symptom of sleep paralysis that most of the people on this forum probably know about.

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Originally Posted by Sir Loin Tenderloin-Steak

Get out of your own lil world, and again- Grow Up, cuz you clearly are still failing to do so.

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I'm sure I don't know what you mean.

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Originally Posted by Sir Loin Tenderloin-Steak

P.S. I'm not looking for a kiddy-fight like you here cuz I'm mature unlike you. But instead of cowardly shying away from my most obvious accusations & comebacks you should take me head-on since you clearly wants to; but cannot, for the above mentioned reason.

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What do you want to know?

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Originally Posted by Sir Loin Tenderloin-Steak

Don't even bother "coming back", just admit you were wrong and be nice to people; cuz you clearly lost the plot, "Tod"! XD

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And you say I don't make sense. Who's Tod?! :?

Hey, lets not start a flame war over this. If you two cannot get along, take it to PM, don't clog the boards up with flames.

Now, Back to topic.
Here, try to create a "daydream" around it, and make up a little joke for every little thing. If a vampire comes to you looking for blood, give him some in a bag with a dye pack that will make it blow up all over him. If a zombie goes near you looking for brains, then show him to the wizard of oz down the yellow brick road. Watch when his legs fall off from skipping. If you hear a scream, insert a random yo-mamma joke. Just try to make it funny, and then laugh at it. Keep positive, if you go in scared, then you are creating the problem for yourself. Also, say to yourself "This can't hurt me", autosuggestion works. Now, GO FORTH AND DREAM!

Hehe, I like that yo-mamma joke suggestion a whole lot :D. Thanks for the great advice, Nascar.

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Originally Posted by KingRoyw

I've accomplished a WILD before, but now I'm too afraid to even attempt it again. I've accomplished it waking after 5 hours of sleep, and entered SP directly from going to bed at night (around 12 PM when I normally sleep)

On certain nights, I have an extremely certain feeling that I can enter SP easily. I also know when I will not be able to enter SP... its because I'm not relaxed enough or too frustrated. On the nights I know SP is easy, I feel like I somewhat am about to enter SP (things like I can't feel my hands, or I start to hallucinate mildly). Once I get these feelings I get sorta nervous and repress them, causing me not to enter SP.

I'm most nervous / scared of SP because of all the bad experiences I hear about it... and some of the weird experiences I've had with hypnagogia. I just don't want to be scared of odd noises or images. People (on this forum) have told me time and time again that I shouldn't be afraid because nothing can harm you. I know nothing can harm me but I still am afraid... I say that to myself during pre-SP in bed... but I'm still all freaked out. I'm not afraid of being hurt... its just those images / sounds are creepy, and just invoke fear in me.

Does anyone have advice that can help me conquer my fear of what scary things I may see / hear? I need something that will calm me and make me feel fearless in a time of hypnogogia. I just want to be at peace when attempting /experiencing SP. :(

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Maybe a L-dopa (dopamine) boosting supplement. You can find a supplement called Mucuna Pruriens that will boost your L-dopa levels. This in supposed to boost your confidence and relieve fear in dreams.

I don't see why you're scared of SP in the first place. Getting this worked up will only give you a bigger chance at having said hallucinations. I had SP this morning and it wasn't scary at all. SP is usually pretty fun.

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Yes. Since I'm not afraid of the dark, I've never been in SP. Geez, you better hope no one tells you about exploding head syndrome. Oops.

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Another typical idiot who is trying to act all hard over the internet :boogie:

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

You explicitly told me, and what I said did make sense. Is there some part of it you're having trouble with?



Exploding head syndrome. It's a common symptom of sleep paralysis that most of the people on this forum probably know about.



I'm sure I don't know what you mean.



What do you want to know?



And you say I don't make sense. Who's Tod?! :?

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Trollmuch?

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Originally Posted by snoop

I don't see why you're scared of SP in the first place. Getting this worked up will only give you a bigger chance at having said hallucinations. I had SP this morning and it wasn't scary at all. SP is usually pretty fun.

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I think SP, for me, is going to be so scary just because other people may have had bad experiences with it. Your response comforts me and lowers my worries about SP, thank you. :D I'm glad to hear its not all bad.

Other people have had bad experiences because they make it bad. Make your experiences good. :) Like the others have said, there's nothing to be afraid of. I remember being in SP once. It was one of the coolest things I've ever felt. It was like being awake and asleep at the same time. I know that's kind of what SP is, but you'll see. ;)

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Originally Posted by drewmandan

Yes. Since I'm not afraid of the dark, I've never been in SP. Geez, you better hope no one tells you about exploding head syndrome. Oops.

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That's pretty uncalled for. Odd states of mind can create all sorts of issues that wouldn't exist in reality. Hence nightmares. Everyone's psychology is different. One person's hypnogogia state might be completely different than another's.

On topic: what do they say? It's all about your attention. Don't pay attention to what you're seeing or hearing, but think about things that are positive. It can be difficult, but you just have to not get fixated on negative inputs.

I think SP is not as scary as it can be when we go through it before dream state, because most of the time we don't know we are paralysed as we are half-lucid half-asleep and so don't tend to move about; at least not at our own will.:banana:

Oh come on its not that bad, well not for me at least

One of the things I can suggest is picking up a "Bring it on!" attitude, maybe perhaps getting a passive-agressive, warrior stance towards what comes up.

I've also had some nasty experiences with SP. Actually, it was more of the HI that comes with it. In my youth, I used to see these eyeballs with bands around the irises that resembles the colors of the rainbow. And it was severely freaky. It led me to drink warm milk before bedtime, hoping to calm myself. I did that for about half a year.

Like someone stated earlier, try to turn the tables on the HI (like the vampire wanting your blood thing). Personally, if I see the Banded Eye, I just stretch it out and it disappears. Don't let it bother you. I think it's a bit of a confidence thing.

I hope I helped.

the truth is you have to bite the bullet and go through with it. SP used to freak me out b4 I was even into LDingin the 6th grade b/c i didnt know what was happening 2 me; i used to see/feel the wierdest/scariest shit u could imagine. but once i realized that it was somewhat normal and that a lot of people experience it too, i knew it couldnt harm me and got over it. :)

thats also why im very good at WILDing b/c i already have experience with SP.

Number 1 rule of the Internet, guys: Don't feed the trolls.

On topic, I can sort of relate to what you're going through. What I mean is, instead of being scared as I approach SP, I feel a sense of accomplishment and joy because I know I'm about to reach my goal. Consequently, this causes me to smile and lose the whole process completely. I can tell I'm on the verge of it, but the little bit of happiness in my brain forces a smile out. Someone gave me the advice of just thinking of something very soothing while you're in that state, and I guess the same advice would work for you. Just think of a warm, sunny beach with aquamarine waves crashing on the pale, sandy coast.

Good luck with it, I'm pretty much in the same boat.

who is this "drewmandon" clown? guy needs to wise up. Anyways, if you dont want to experience those things then dont bother with the method, case closed. People can say all they want about "dont worry", and "its not real", or worse yet "get over it" but these are just DREAMS they are less real than reality tv shows and if it starts effecting you life in any negative way than I would just forget about wilding (I'd say the fact that they made you scared enough to make this thread is enough), dreams aren't worth any discomfort at anytime.

I've had SP before I even knew anything about lucid dreaming or what SP was. It was kind of scary, but mostly for the sensations of not being able to move. I have seen some mildly weird things before (for instance my bedroom door opening by itself as a hypnagogic hallucination) and in those cases, I was easily able to realize that I could just wake myself up if I wanted to.

After I learned what it was, the weird things stopped during SP and I wasn't scared as much. I saw it more as something interesting to experience.

I know how you feel though, I have heard some horror stories too but I tend to think if you've never experienced anything that bad during SP before, you're probably not the type of person that sees that stuff and you may never experience it. But like a lot of other people say, once you treat it with less anxiety and more control, it's easier to get over the fear of it.

Try to remember anything you may see is all coming out of your own imagination, so it can only ever be as bad as the worst you can think up, and depending on how lucid you are you have some control over what you see as well.

It isn't that scary... haven't experienced (and I don't want to lol) hallucinations. My 1st one was quite cool :D, I woke up hearing a beeping/buzz noise and was like "WTF!?" I tried to move my arm but couldn't and said in my mind "Omg this is a SP... I am not ready for it WAKE UP WAKE UP!!!". I couldn't open my eyelids, wasn't that scared... only not prepared :D . My 2nd one was even cooler; "Wow I am having a SP again" tried to move my leg "Cool!!" then somehow I didn't woke up... I ended up sleeping :( ... Believe me, you couldn't be more scared as I was before :D .

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Originally Posted by KingRoyw

If you aren't going to help, please do not post. Certainly you have never experienced anything close to SP before.

And you say this is no different from playing video games and seeing something scary there. I'll put it like this... you cannot determine what a roller coaster feels like or see how thrilling it is just by watching a video of it... you need to go on it for yourself.

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I sympathize and agree with you wholeheartedly; hypnogogia is as real as real can get (when experiencing it). . .I've come to expect it, of course. . .but to wake up staring at a little kid standing next to my bed, is hardly something to laugh at . . .in fact, I can't think of anything scarier. . .and I'm quite sure this fear stops me from expanding on my dreaming practices as well. . .pathic or not. its a completely different form of conciousness; hardly like encountering a zombie in a resident evil game or something. . .
haha, its terrible my whole family has become used to my very frequent screams of terror whenever I encounter a hypnogic something-or-another. . . whether they be spiders, little kids, or just people stopping by to say hello. . .you can't get used to that. . .and, well. . .kudos to the people who are.

I've WILDed probably 5 times (I mostly DILD, but will probably WILD more since I think it's better, imo), and the most I've heard was a voice. You're too tired to actually care anyways.

The "Old Hag" stuff is stupid, as if a monster is literally (well, you know what I mean) going to come and sit on your chest or yell in your ear or something. I know it can happen, but how often can that happen? Hasn't happened to me yet. Even if it did, you're bound to be so relaxed that it really wouldn't matter anyways.

It's nowhere near as bad as hallucinating when waking up from sleep, which you don't have to worry about with this. Even with this, I just laugh now because it's happened so many times. I just try to punch whatever I see in the face and it goes away. The same is true with WILDing, in the sense that once you do it many times, it won't matter anymore because you're so used to it.

Anyway, this is from my own personal experience. Take it how you want.

I've had a similar problem with WILDing. Once I start to feel SP, my mind starts to think about too much stuff, and I get excited, then SP fades away. I'm going to try just focusing on my breathing next time and hopefully keep my mind calm.

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Originally Posted by ZmillA

but these are just DREAMS they are less real than reality tv shows

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I disagree, my dreams are way more real than anything on TV. Most of the time, I actually mistake them for reality they are so real.

I am new to the forums, so I'm not sure what many of you're abbreviations mean. (What's wild?). I can tell you that I have had some pretty terrifying experiences from SP, probably some of the most terrifying experiences of my life. (I have also had some pretty intense ecstatic experiences, which can be a different kind of terror) People who say "just get over it" or "think happy thoughts" have obviously never experienced SP. Also, thinking SP can't hurt you is not true either. Psychological damage can be pretty intense.
As for the users who say face it head on, they are absolutely right. Facing your worst fear and learning from it gives you a great inner strength.
I also found studying the scientific basis as to why SP happens very helpful. Did you know 30% of the population experiences SP at least once in their lifetime. You're not alone.
Just let the SP run it's course. If you're having a frightening experience, there must be some dark part of your pysche that's trying to come to light. Think about your life and try to understand what your demons are, only then can you dispell them.

Also, I have to add that it pretty frustrating reading post from people who don't understand this experience. Instead of calling it "stupid" or "not real", why not try and learn from the people who have actually experienced SP.
When I would enter SP, I would see a large demon made of black smoke with red eyes standing at my door, then eventually floating directly above me and screaming. The whole experience feels "real" while you are in it. Throughout most of my childhood, I thought I was actually plagued by ghosts and demons. Only when I began majoring in psychology did I really understand what was happening to me. Even then, I still felt terrorized in the middle of SP, however, I could wake the next morning and evaluate and understand my experienced.
The good news is, most people who SP also LD and have other gifts of that sort. A blessing with a curse, I guess.

I heard somewhere that 100% of the population experiences sleep paralysis. Most are just not aware of it as they experience it. As for the safety of it, there's nothing to fear but fear itself. As simple of it sounds, just thinking happy thoughts, or "getting over it" is all you have to do. Try accepting the fear as just part of the experience, and see where it takes you.

the same happens to me, i am not going to try wild any more, any way, theres more ways to get a lucid dream

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I am new to the forums, so I'm not sure what many of you're abbreviations mean. (What's wild?). I can tell you that I have had some pretty terrifying experiences from SP, probably some of the most terrifying experiences of my life. (I have also had some pretty intense ecstatic experiences, which can be a different kind of terror) People who say "just get over it" or "think happy thoughts" have obviously never experienced SP. Also, thinking SP can't hurt you is not true either. Psychological damage can be pretty intense.

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Well, I'll respond as I think I'm one who said, "think happy thoughts" in some sense of the phrase. I understand it's not exceptionally easy to do, sort of like saying, "just believe and want to do X," but that's basically the crux of the matter. I have had SP before and it was a terrifying ordeal, not due to any demons, as there were none, but due to the nature of the reality that was constructed in the state. I was seeing the world through a perspective that was allowed full reality due to the half-sleep nature of the event, yet was seeing the world that I knew to be "real" and objective. The lens my mind had was terrifying in what it created, or more aptly what it lacked.

What that lens was is irrelevant. It was the fixation on that lens that perpetuated the experience, and it was my decision to force a new, or old, perspective that ended the experience. Along those lines, when I was younger I believed in ghosts and was quite afraid of the dark. This fear was perpetuated through fixation on the negative side of the dark and the negative possibilities that I felt confronted me. My fear subsided in two ways: when I simply ceased to focus on the possibilities all together, and when I chose instead to focus and believe in the positive possibilities and emotions. The former method would equate to waking from the SP state, and the latter to transforming it.

No, it is not easy to just "think happy thoughts" or "focus on the positives", especially when there is something terrifying there. But you have to remember that it is precisely your focusing on the negatives that is scaring you, that is making it so negative. My comments are not a step-by-step series of instructions, but a suggested direction. Just remember the other side of the coin also exists, and you have and can experience it just as easily, and it can be just as lasting and leave the same forceful impression.

What is WILD?

Reading this topic has made me scared. :( I was planning on trying it, but once I closed the lights and lay in bed I chickened out and went to sleep.

Some questions....How do you see the hallucinations in the dark? Do they just appear glowy and stuff?
And reading this stuff has made me recall on an experience I had a few times the past few years. While I was falling asleep, my heart started thumping like crazy and my heart rate got super high, and all the blood was pounding in my head. Really scary. At first I thought I was having a heart attack, but when it went away I just kinda forgot about it and went to sleep. Happened a few times. Do you think it has anything to do with sleep paralysis?

My only suggestion in regards to fear. Is to look at exactly what your afraid of. Are you afraid of feeling out of control? Or are you afraid of what you might see?

I've never had a WILD dream, atleast nothing that I think was one.

Maybe this experience I had will help you out... I "woke up" one morning, it was about 5am, it was foggy outside and casting a white light into my bedroom. I don't know what you would consider this, but it was a surreal experience. I think I was dreaming and it slowly faded into me being awake. But anyways I opened my eyes and saw my room flooded with a white light. I looked down at my hand which was very soft looking. I couldnt see like my knuckles or any of the "imperfections" you have on your skin. I was opening and closing my hand into a fist very lightly, and my fingers looked really strange. Almost longer than normal. I began to sit up slowly, again taking in my surroundings of my bedroom. It was the weirdest thing I've ever experienced. I honestly thought I was dying. I couldnt feel anything in my body, it was just a extremly relaxing soft feeling. I slowly started to see clearly, to the point where I woke up entirely.

It's so hard to put into words, but I tried my best. But I bring it up, because I thought I was dying, which ultimatly should be the biggest fear. And it was incredibly relaxing and peaceful.

I know it sounds sort of morbid almost and I have no idea why It happened.