Do you tell fibs about having LDs?

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Anyone who was capable of doing the task would have just tried to do it, instead of engaging in all that treachery.

And you thought I couldn't catch you!

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What a lame attempt at reinforcing what you meant.
A) You wouldnt and still wont explain how your plan was supposed to work.
B) You seem to think that having people read what they were going to read anyway ruined your plan? o___o...

If anyone is a liar, or deceitful, you're the one showing telltale signs of BS.
Dont try and call someone else on a trait you so glaringly display. Its unbecoming of anyone.

You just can't make claims with no basis and then not explain yourself. You, who seem to think so highly of yourself, should know that.



Also (and you must answer this, or, to use your logic, YOU'RE A LIAR!! ho snap) can you explain why this project wont work anymore and why I cant use it, just because I read it in the forum and not from you directly?

I mean, you keep replying and yet you dodge the question people keep asking.

Ditto. I gave TWO people the same thing you gave me, which is the same thing you gave everyone else. How does that ruin anything when nobody has discussed it?

Yes Stratter, I am thinking he has never had an LD and probably is out to get all the 'devil worshipers' who are this forum.

ALSO (meaning you still have to answer the previous question which Yume.no.ato asked) who is this anonymous? You keep referring to an 'anonymous'.

Tommo, and others... just give up. I know I am.

This fucktard is clearly a troll, and there is no reasoning with him; his "reasoning" (though without any reason whatsoever) is completely illogical, and in order to speak the way he is, he is either a) a very successful troll for getting such a reaction from us, or b) a complete idiot who won't listen to reason, logic, common sense or intellect.

We could spend the rest of our earthly days arguing here and we would only (in his own mind) prove Arne right. I, for one, will no longer feed into this BS.

Arne, you may take this as a concession if you'd like. Whatever fantasy world you live in, I'd be frightened if I somehow was respected and revered in it.

And so, I bid you goodnight and farewell, most troll-y of trolls. You have done well.

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Originally Posted by Mad Stratter

I PM'd him too, reluctantly...

I just don't understand why you would start a thread on a forum and require a PM for the information when you could just as easily post it here. He even admitted that many of us will get the same "task", and that it doesn't matter if we collaborate, so what harm could posting it here do.

I bet this guy is just malac under a pseudonym :roll:

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I take that in offense. Why would he be me? I'm sorry but do you even know me and do please answer me with a rational reason.

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Originally Posted by malac

I take that in offense. Why would he be me? I'm sorry but do you even know me and do please answer me with a rational reason.

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Notice the rolling eyes? Don't take too much offense, as I didn't mean a whole hell of a lot by it.

No, I don't know you, by virtue of the both of us being faceless aliases on an internet forum. I was just referencing old (and quite infamous) threads of yours I've read where you require Private Message in order to have access to your LD techniques rather than posting them in the forums.

I'm sorry if I insinuated that you were on par with the original poster, as that was not my intention... I would not imply such about my worst of enemies.

Do people search their names on this forum daily? LOL
Every time someone's name is mentioned they suddenly pop up in the thread. :lol:

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I was just referencing old (and quite infamous) threads of yours I've read where you require Private Message in order to have access to your LD techniques

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Ah yes! That thread, in which I NEVER GOT A REPLY TO MY PM!!!! lol

Why even bother making a dream to fool Arne Sakuscjsalafsdkhpfsi? We could just ignore the guy. Somebody as insulting and extreme about dreaming like him doesn't even deserve it. This thread wasn't as funny as I thought it was gonna be.

If you're new or you haven't seen his other threads he thinks that any kind of violence, thematic or no, is because you're a psycho and you have torture fantasies. Also LOOK OUT FOR TREES!!!!

And another thing. Who's to say that Ms. Gonzalez won't come out of nowhere and slice off your head in the middle of your question to her? Nobody. My dreams can manifest themselves in whatever way they want and can be very unpredictable. I don't see how some crazy asshole can just predict that I will only hear a voice. Gimme a goddamn break.

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and you have torture fantasies

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So when you torture a DC (who cares if it's a real person or a part of your imagination? you still have the desire to torture), you're not a psycho? Aren't dreams our fantasies?

Andyone who wants to take part in dreaming inquiries that don't get ruined by 14-year-old male Internet posers can e-mail me to participate.

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Andyone who wants to take part in dreaming inquiries that don't get ruined by 14-year-old male Internet posers can e-mail me to participate.

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Better then a 4 year old?

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Date of Birth:
February 29, 2004
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4

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Originally Posted by anonymous

So when you torture a DC (who cares if it's a real person or a part of your imagination? you still have the desire to torture), you're not a psycho? Aren't dreams our fantasies?

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You aren't fooling anyone, Arnonymous :roll:

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Andyone who wants to take part in dreaming inquiries that don't get ruined by 14-year-old male Internet posers can e-mail me to participate.

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I know I said I was done with this thread, but I had to reply to this when I saw it in my inbox... Arne, do you think you could answer one of our questions for once instead of just telling us how dumb we are? You've yet to tell us how we ruined your little game, or answer anything else for that matter.

What's with this sexism? Why do you despise men so much, when you happen to be male yourself (I won't say "man" because that implies you're somewhat grown up :P). Did daddy not love you enough? Or, did he maybe love you too much...

::runs away to talk with the the rest of the posers on this board::

Will I become discouraged if this technique doesn't work first time,
it seems harder than it sounds.

I guess there will be no badges/titles offered then, for our efforts.

:(

Someone close this thread. Its obvious what his real intentions are. He simply isn't sure that lucid dreaming is real or not so he created this thread to test people for some type of similarities or somewhat, asking them to pm so that his test wasn't influenced by people looking at other people's stories. At first glance, its clearly what he's trying to do and even though its good that he's questioning, he should not deceive others. The meaningless of this thread is becoming an eyesore.

...but I could be wrong:roll:

You want it closed because none of you boys -- and I do mean boys -- can do the task.

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

You want it closed because none of you boys -- and I do mean boys -- can do the task.

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What "task". What are you even talking about? Lucid dreaming is real so stop wasting your time trying to study people.
Also, I see you haven't denied my thesis about what you're doing. Just looked at your previous post, which gave me more of a reason that you haven't had an Ld and could lead to your questioning. Here are some, along with my responses:

"Men just tend to be bigger liars about it. If a young male has a screen name like "Lucid Master," he's probably never had an LD.

And people who say that LDs are all fun are lying too. LDs are just as apt to be unpleasant as ordinary dreams are."

I don't know about you but the very presence of being in an LD is intriguing.

"What good are lucid dreams?
A fellow at another message board has challenged the people who post there to say what lucid dreams are any good for.

I think that for the posters here to answer the same question would be a useful exercise."

Seems to me that you're using someone else as an excuse to find out more about why you should go on with Lding, not knowing the realism and exciting potential that they can provide for you, you would ask that. I can read people like a children's book.




..but I could be wrong...

When you manage to do it, e-mail me and let me know.

And don't imagine that you can fool me about it. Especially since I've already busted quite a few of you.

No one needs to fool you to prove you're a fool.
The fact that so many people have asked you the same question and you dodge the question is proof you have no clue what you're talking about.

Either that, of you've convinced yourself you do, but you're secretly afraid once you tell us, we'll tear your logic apart and make you look even mor like a fool. You'll go down with your ship.

And anyone who pms you is doing it out of sheer curiosity caused by your idiotic claims. You've turned yourself into a joke and yet you're still here.

You should either answer our questions or dont respond at all.
Cause the more you dodge, the more you prove our point~

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Did daddy not love you enough? Or, did he maybe love you too much...

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LMAO. Priceless.

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

When you manage to do it, e-mail me and let me know.

And don't imagine that you can fool me about it. Especially since I've already busted quite a few of you.

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Man, you are one good troll. I'm not going to bother reasoning with you, it's pointless even if you're not trolling.

Stephen LaBerge already scientifically demonstrated in his Stanford Ph.D. research that lucid dreaming exists.

Why does it matter if someone lies about having a lucid dream? It is irrelevant if someone gets a neat little icon next to their name.

It's much worse to bait people and pick fights over beliefs, which is what has happened in this thread.

Well, one person did it. That was Walms. My hat is off to him.

He did it fast too. I thought it would take at least a week for anyone to do it, maybe two.

Now don't all you teenaged super-dreamers start asking him what the answer is. Show me you can do it yourself or be quiet.

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Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Well, one person did it. That was Walms. My hat is off to him.

He did it fast too. I thought it would take at least a week for anyone to do it, maybe two.

Now don't all you teenaged super-dreamers start asking him what the answer is. Show me you can do it yourself or be quiet.

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Why would we ask him what the answer is? And why is his answer the only one? Isn't it entirely possible for everyone on the forum to find a different answer in their lucid dream?

By the way, I've never had a good lucid dream, and I admit it. However, I could easily come up with everything you said and challenged us to do. How about you show us your skills, Mr. "LDs don't last long enough for you to give very much of a talk, and they occur too unpredictably."? Skills

Also, isn't it better for one person to lie, than for one person to accuse everyone who doesn't agree with him of lying?

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Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

Also, isn't it better for one person to lie, than for one person to accuse everyone who doesn't agree with him of lying?

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No, neither. No one should lie, and no one should accuse anyone of anything. So, neither is better...

>>Why would we ask him what the answer is?<<

Why was everyone PMing the task to everyone else, after I had asked them not to do that?

>>And why is his answer the only one? Isn't it entirely possible for everyone on the forum to find a different answer in their lucid dream?<<

Nobody will get the very same answer, but all will be compatible with the answers Walms got. He got more than one answer.

>>By the way, I've never had a good lucid dream, and I admit it.<<

That's true of most people here, except that they don't admit it.

>>However, I could easily come up with everything you said and challenged us to do.<<

Why don't you just come up with an LD instead?

>>How about you show us your skills, Mr. "LDs don't last long enough for you to give very much of a talk, and they occur too unpredictably."?<<

For someone who admittedly has no skills, that's a lot of taunting for you to be doing, isn't it? I know who Cynthia Gonzalez is and I know what Minarez is. Walms knows what Minarez is, but he doesn't know who Cynthia Gonzalez is. Nobody else here knows anything about either subject.

>>Also, isn't it better for one person to lie, than for one person to accuse everyone who doesn't agree with him of lying?<<

I don't mind disagreement, but I do mind lying. I mind that a lot.

When a young male goes on the Internet, acts like a tough guy, struts around and talks trash about his alleged dreaming prowess, you can bet your last dollar that he's never had an LD. You'll notice that Walms doesn't act that way. That's because he's the real deal.

>>Why was everyone PMing the task to everyone else, after I had asked them not to do that?<<

That's the task, not answer.

>>Nobody will get the very same answer, but all will be compatible with the answers Walms got. He got more than one answer.<<

Well, I guess I can't argue with that, I'd have to know the answer to your task. But I know you're not going to share it, so I'll just leave that point as it is.

>>That's true of most people here, except that they don't admit it.<<

Most people? So more than 50&#37; of this forum lies about having lucid dreams? That's a pretty bold assumption

>>Why don't you just come up with an LD instead?<<

Because unlike your stereotype of a male teenager, I see no logic in going to a LD forum and pretending I LD, instead of being honest, asking questions, and learning to actually lucid dream. I'm a cynic myself, but I wouldn't assume even 5% of the people here would lie about having lucids.

>>For someone who admittedly has no skills, that's a lot of taunting for you to be doing, isn't it?<<

That's like saying someone who's ugly can't tell how good-looking others are.

>>I know who Cynthia Gonzalez is and I know what Minarez is. Walms knows what Minarez is, but he doesn't know who Cynthia Gonzalez is. Nobody else here knows anything about either subject.<<

No, you and walms know what they are in your dreams. If somehow everyone knows what they are, then that has nothing to do with lying about lucid dreaming, and you should take it to the beyond dreaming forum.

>>I don't mind disagreement, but I do mind lying. I mind that a lot.

When a young male goes on the Internet, acts like a tough guy, struts around and talks trash about his alleged dreaming prowess, you can bet your last dollar that he's never had an LD. You'll notice that Walms doesn't act that way. That's because he's the real deal.<<

a. That RARELY happens.
b. Just because they brag about it, doesn't mean they can't do it. Some people are just assholes like that. Also, just because they're humble about it, doesn't mean they can do it (I'm sure Walms can, don't misinterpret this)


After thinking about this, I don't know why I'm arguing with you. However, you can't just go on a forum and accuse "most people here" of lying. Also, you have a very strong negative stereotype of males, especially male teenagers. High school problems? I'd bet on that.

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Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

After thinking about this, I don't know why I'm arguing with you.

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Why is anyone arguing with him? Either you want to participate with what he has to offer or you don't. So what if he's accusing people of lying. We know if we are lying or not. We don't have to prove ourselves to anyone. Why waste your energy in typing out a whole long thread trying to make him look bad? Waste of time, if you ask me.