Thread: Do you tell fibs about having LDs?

Let me put you to the test. Just PM me and I'll give you a task to carry out. if you can do it, then you're a truth teller. If you can't, then you're a fibber.

I warn you though that you won't be able to fool me.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Let me put you to the test. Just PM me and I'll give you a task to carry out. if you can do it, then you're a truth teller. If you can't, then you're a fibber.

I warn you though that you won't be able to fool me.

You realize people could completely make the story up?

And it's kind of hard to tell when someone is lieing about their dreams...

slayer is right.... say for instance me.....

when I used to be on here daily, I STUDIED everything that has to do with dreaming, From SP to REM etc. I also have exp lucid dreaming. I could make up a easy story that would completely foo you because I know all the steps in lucid dreaming.

You're a fool for thinking you can't be fooled.

Originally Posted by Michael

You're a fool for thinking you can't be fooled.

We'll see about that.

PM me if you completed the task. Lmfao.

Do you know how hard it is to say "Yeah, I did it"? Not very hard at all. You're a fool.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Let me put you to the test. Just PM me and I'll give you a task to carry out. if you can do it, then you're a truth teller. If you can't, then you're a fibber.

I warn you though that you won't be able to fool me.

What if I could never do it and I said I could never do it? What if I accepted your challenge and for some odd reason I suceeded? What then? Would I have actually told the truth with that quote? Would I have been a fibber even if I couldn't do it and admitted I couldn't?

That's it I'm going it! I have nothing to lose! Await my PM.

I don't get it. At all.

I'll PM you out of curiosity.

Originally Posted by NeoSioType

What if I could never do it and I said I could never do it? What if I accepted your challenge and for some odd reason I suceeded? What then? Would I have actually told the truth with that quote? Would I have been a fibber even if I couldn't do it and admitted I couldn't?

That's it I'm going it! I have nothing to lose! Await my PM.

People don't lie about NOT having lucid dreams!

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

People don't lie about NOT having lucid dreams!

I do.
I have 2 more accounts on DV. Top secret of course.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

if you can do it, then you're a truth teller. If you can't, then you're a fibber.

I don't get this part. So, if I can't do the task, I'm a liar? How odd. Is it like those 'tasks of the month' on here? There are plenty of times when I can't do those, but that doesn't mean I "fib" about LD'ing.

And I don't see why anyone would "fib" about LD'ing. That's just weird if they do.

Oh, lots of people fib about having lucid dreams. And I agree, it's weird that people do that.

If you can't do my task, and you admit that you can't, then of course you'll be telling the truth. But if you can't do it and then you make up some nonsense about what supposedly happened in an LD you never really had, I won't be fooled. Clear now?

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

I do.
I have 2 more accounts on DV. Top secret of course.

Is one of those Maric?
Yeh yeh I know they're top secret....

Some of you are going to get the same task, and you don't need to be comparing notes.

Don't need to?
Ok but I want to (jk)

Ok I PM'ed him back and now I gotta wait because I wasn't sure of one of his spellings. Well I'll try it how I think it supposed to be anyway if I get lucid tonight or tomoro.

Originally Posted by tommo

Is one of those Maric?
Yeh yeh I know they're top secret....

They are. And it's not Maric

And it's not just Mad Hatter and the Anonymous troll. Several other people PMed their task to each other, after I had specifically asked them not to do that. They unmasked themselves as Liars Club members too.

But Mad Hatter has never had an LD in his life. You can take that to the bank.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

And it's not just Mad Hatter and the Anonymous troll. Several other people PMed their task to each other, after I had specifically asked them not to do that. They unmasked themselves as Liars Club members too.

But Mad Hatter has never had an LD in his life. You can take that to the bank.

This is hilarious.

Please provide the link between sharing information and fibbing about our dreams.

EDIT: PS, can a mod IP check him, just in case?

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Several other people PMed their task to each other, after I had specifically asked them not to do that. They unmasked themselves as Liars Club members too. But Mad Hatter has never had an LD in his life. You can take that to the bank.

That's a rather bold assumption. I don't see the connection between sharing the task and being a liar, having had no Lucid Dreams. Although you have a right to be unhappy for them breaking "the rules," making outlandish claims like that are pointless.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

And it's not just Mad Hatter and the Anonymous troll. Several other people PMed their task to each other, after I had specifically asked them not to do that. They unmasked themselves as Liars Club members too.

But Mad Hatter has never had an LD in his life. You can take that to the bank.

a) you caught me... boy is my face red. I wasted so many years reading these forums and pretending I have had all of a dozen or so lucid dreams, just to impress these total strangers, only to have you unmask me so easily. ALL I WANTED WAS FOR YOU GUYS TO LOVE AND ACCEPT ME AND YOU RUINED THAT ARNE! YOU RUINED ME! I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU, YOU BIG STINKY POOPYNOGGIN!

b) Learn to read.

hugs & Kisses, XOXOXOXO <3 Mad STRatter

Other Arne gems from these very forums...

He's been on the liar kick since atleast June 20th, 2008:
"Men just tend to be bigger liars about it. If a young male has a screen name like "Lucid Master," he's probably never had an LD.
And people who say that LDs are all fun are lying too. LDs are just as apt to be unpleasant as ordinary dreams are." (found here)


Also, Arne seems to think Dreams are reality, and that killing/fighting a dream character in a dream is just as evil and wicked as murdering a person in reality (found here)
"And to the person who said that it's "just a fictional situation" -- even if that's true, which I don't acknowledge, then you're an ass for wanting to hurt something. Why do you want to do that?"

Also, check out the very next page of that thread, where he equates fighting a dream character to waterboarding a real, live human being... where he also says that "More than a few people people have said that they have lucid dreams all the time, but when they've join my group, that ability has mysteriously disappeared."

There's that good ol' elitism again. We're all faking unless we join his group... and even then, we're faking still until we learn to do it his way.


About that group of his, the description explains a lot:

"This is not a group where members post. Instead, members receive tasks from the moderator to carry out in lucid dreaming. They report their experiences to him."

There's that control freak thang again. You guys should really check out that thread in it's entirety, it's full of gems like this one:

"Let me ask again -- do you torture and kill women and children in your dreams? Or is it only men?"

Here he is with the whole "message me and i'll tell you how to do it" thing again, because a forum is a dumb place to post ideas, and I need to initiate you into my group on one-way communication.


At this point, you may be asking what it is about the Great Arne's dreams that make them so much superior than ours? Well you can find the reason here:

"Probably not, because LDs don't last long enough for you to give very much of a talk, and they occur too unpredictably. Also it tends to be hard to remember something like a speech when you have an LD."

Because, as he says on June 21st: "The fact that some little creep invariably finds this thread and drags it back up every few weeks says something terrible about the kind of people who are attracted to this web site.

Most of them have probably never had a lucid dream in their lives anyway."

oh yeah, he also says this there:
"The question is, why does this web site attract people like you and the other juvenile creeps who have posted their sick fantasies in this thread?"

I dunno, Arne, why does this site attract people like you, who are clearly far superior to us, and cause them to stick around for 9+ months to tell us how much we all lie and fake LDs?


If you need any other proof that this kid is a joke/troll/hack or a Hack of a Joking Troll, search for posts he's made... I found all of this and more just in the first page of eleven+ that appear when searching for his posts.

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Anyway, back to the topic at hand...

I think what he's getting at, by his clearly mentally illness related lack of distinction between reality and dreams is that this Cynthia girl would give us all a specific definition, and anyone who got a different answer than his was a liar.

Arne, I see that you've been here since atleast February, if not longer, insisting that we're all faking... well if you're having real lucid dreams that are so much better than our "fibs", why are you wasting your time here with us instead of dreaming your life away in Utopia?

**FOR MORE INFORMATION ON arne saknussemm, CHECK OUT HIS BLOG: http://www.ponens.blogspot.com/** It tells us that he's from Los Angeles, which explains why he is so superior to us petty mortals

Anyone else starting to think that Arne is really the one who's never had an LD in his life, and he's projecting that on to us because he feels like such a failure?

and for fuck sake, in arne's own words: "Anyone who had shit for brains would let this thread die a natural death instead of dragging it back up every few weeks."

Well all I can say is... I personally don't give a fat rat's crack who else is having or not having lucid dreams. So long as I'm having them I'm happy lol!

I don't see the big deal. He wants to do an "experiment", let him. If you don't want to participate, don't. It doesn't make anyone look any better than he by attacking him. If anything, you (general) look just as bad, if, indeed he is a troll or whatever you all call them.

At first, I was all like 'what an idiot' because it pissed me off he was trying to call people liars. I sat back, thought about it and realized, what is the big deal? I know I don't lie, so I'm not going to get all huffy and puffy. I think those who are getting all riled up are either insecure, or want to prove something, what? I have no clue. If anything, just ignore him. Why stir up anything? I never understood that on message boards. I guess people are bored, and want entertainment.

Anyone who was capable of doing the task would have just tried to do it, instead of engaging in all that treachery.

And you thought I couldn't catch you!

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Anyone who was capable of doing the task would have just tried to do it, instead of engaging in all that treachery.

And you thought I couldn't catch you!

What a lame attempt at reinforcing what you meant.
A) You wouldnt and still wont explain how your plan was supposed to work.
B) You seem to think that having people read what they were going to read anyway ruined your plan? o___o...

If anyone is a liar, or deceitful, you're the one showing telltale signs of BS.
Dont try and call someone else on a trait you so glaringly display. Its unbecoming of anyone.

You just can't make claims with no basis and then not explain yourself. You, who seem to think so highly of yourself, should know that.



Also (and you must answer this, or, to use your logic, YOU'RE A LIAR!! ho snap) can you explain why this project wont work anymore and why I cant use it, just because I read it in the forum and not from you directly?

I mean, you keep replying and yet you dodge the question people keep asking.

Ditto. I gave TWO people the same thing you gave me, which is the same thing you gave everyone else. How does that ruin anything when nobody has discussed it?

Yes Stratter, I am thinking he has never had an LD and probably is out to get all the 'devil worshipers' who are this forum.

ALSO (meaning you still have to answer the previous question which Yume.no.ato asked) who is this anonymous? You keep referring to an 'anonymous'.

Tommo, and others... just give up. I know I am.

This fucktard is clearly a troll, and there is no reasoning with him; his "reasoning" (though without any reason whatsoever) is completely illogical, and in order to speak the way he is, he is either a) a very successful troll for getting such a reaction from us, or b) a complete idiot who won't listen to reason, logic, common sense or intellect.

We could spend the rest of our earthly days arguing here and we would only (in his own mind) prove Arne right. I, for one, will no longer feed into this BS.

Arne, you may take this as a concession if you'd like. Whatever fantasy world you live in, I'd be frightened if I somehow was respected and revered in it.

And so, I bid you goodnight and farewell, most troll-y of trolls. You have done well.