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12-07-2008, 10:16 PM
Duka30

Partial Sleep paralysis

I get partial sleep paralysis and I cannot get to full SP.

The whole tingly numbness feeling ya know?

Any Tips of getting into full SP, I have tried deep breathing.
12-07-2008, 10:20 PM
adraw

You are not alone. The question remains. If really the feeling of full paralysis is needed to enter LD. :D
12-07-2008, 10:28 PM
Thor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duka30

I get partial sleep paralysis and I cannot get to full SP.

You don't need SP. SP is a red herring; read What Every Lucid Dreamer Should Know About Sleep Paralysis.

If you want to WILD, go and read some real WILD guides, like
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=62282 or
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=30783.
12-07-2008, 10:35 PM
DreamChaser

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor

You don't need SP. SP is a red herring; read What Every Lucid Dreamer Should Know About Sleep Paralysis.

If you want to WILD, go and read some real WILD guides, like
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=62282 or
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=30783.

Seems on that link tho that anything from partial relaxation onwards can be classified as SP.
I don't agree.
12-07-2008, 10:42 PM
Thor

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Seems on that link tho that anything from partial relaxation onwards can be classified as SP.
I don't agree.

Assuming you are referring to the first link, that was an attempt to be descriptive with respect to current usage in the LD community. The only justified use of the term "sleep paralysis" is of course in the sense of a disorder.
12-07-2008, 10:43 PM
Duka30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor

You don't need SP. SP is a red herring; read What Every Lucid Dreamer Should Know About Sleep Paralysis.

If you want to WILD, go and read some real WILD guides, like
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=62282 or
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=30783.

Seems like I need to be conscious and have my body fall asleep at the same time...
12-07-2008, 10:48 PM
adraw

Actually .. The only thing you need is to remain aware. Nature will do the rest for you :D
12-07-2008, 10:49 PM
Duka30

Quote:

Originally Posted by adraw

Actually .. The only thing you need is to remain aware. Nature will do the rest for you :D

I have tried that multiple times...

All i get is a tingly sensation, hard to move but I can still do so, and I know what is going on around me.

SP never seems to come.
12-07-2008, 10:50 PM
adraw

Thor I would have one question... That would be... How do YOU percieve your experiences, when you are performing WILD? What would interest me is the transformation of wakeful into dream state >> Thanx for response.
12-07-2008, 10:51 PM
Ryuinfinity

Quote:

Originally Posted by adraw

Actually .. The only thing you need is to remain aware. Nature will do the rest for you :D

Post 666! Oh, and maybe just let yourself fall asleep at that point? Make it a trance-MILD?
12-07-2008, 10:52 PM
DreamChaser

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duka30

I have tried that multiple times...

All i get is a tingly sensation, hard to move but I can still do so, and I know what is going on around me.

SP never seems to come.

Suggestion:
Start at the beginning and use MILD and DILD induction.
You will get more LDs and not get so frustrated.
Go back to WILDs after a few LDs from these methods.
12-07-2008, 10:53 PM
adraw

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duka30

I have tried that multiple times...

All i get is a tingly sensation, hard to move but I can still do so, and I know what is going on around me.

SP never seems to come.

Thats the point... You and me... We are doing something unnatural. We are interrupting natural processes. In other words. We are using hammer to repair broken watch... We need to get more subtle. And that takes time to learn.
12-07-2008, 11:00 PM
DreamChaser

Try this too:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=69535
12-07-2008, 11:01 PM
Duka30

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Try this too:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=69535

: / No luck with that yet.
12-07-2008, 11:02 PM
DreamChaser

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duka30

: / No luck with that yet.

ok...Adraw..will leave it with you.
12-07-2008, 11:05 PM
Duka30

I have been reading some of your threads Adraw, and it seems like we have more in common about this subject than I expected...

I will try some of your techniques :]
12-07-2008, 11:11 PM
Thor

Quote:

Originally Posted by adraw

Thor I would have one question... That would be... How do YOU percieve your experiences, when you are performing WILD? What would interest me is the transformation of wakeful into dream state >> Thanx for response.

It's highly variable. Sometimes I just plunge directly from the waking state into the dream in a matter of seconds, usually after a brief awakening. These are my most successful WILDs. In these cases I have absolutely no other experience than the dream itself.

Other times I get all the textbook auditory, tactile, kinesthetic, vestibular (but rarely visual) hypnagogic hallucinations. Typically roaring sounds, electrocution, acceleration, vibration. These sometimes, but not always, lead into a dream.

With respect to the supposed "sleep paralysis" I occasionally get the "lead blanket" feeling reported by many. I have tested several times but never found myself unable to move, so at least in my own case this is not a state of paralysis.
12-07-2008, 11:15 PM
adraw

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duka30

I have been reading some of your threads Adraw, and it seems like we have more in common about this subject than I expected...

I will try some of your techniques :]

As long as you dont take what I write as techniques, you are welcome. I have to remind you ... My WILD count is zero. I have some experiences with SP, i have done some visualizations and really nice chats about what WILDs really are. But thats it. Take it just as my {improving} view on some LD related subject :D
12-07-2008, 11:21 PM
adraw

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor

It's highly variable. Sometimes I just plunge directly from the waking state into the dream in a matter of seconds, usually after a brief awakening. These are my most successful WILDs. In these cases I have absolutely no other experience than the dream itself.

Other times I get all the textbook auditory, tactile, kinesthetic, vestibular (but rarely visual) hypnagogic hallucinations. Typically roaring sounds, electrocution, acceleration, vibration. These sometimes, but not always, lead into a dream.

With respect to the supposed "sleep paralysis" I occasionally get the "lead blanket" feeling reported by many. I have tested several times but never found myself unable to move, so at least in my own case this is not a state of paralysis.

Thats really interesting. What I would be really interest in would be the state when you move from fully awake to more inward focused state. Becouse according to my predictions {and partially observations} there has to be some awareness change..My questions would be:

1. Is this awareness change always appearant?
2. If so... Is that change spanned over larger interval or does it come in one point in time?

You know what i mean. .... Really the bodily sensations are not of much importance to me. The body simply gets numb... But the mind.. How does it get more ... How to say it... Dreamy?

And one more think. Could you please give some constructive feedback on this?:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=69628
12-08-2008, 03:35 PM
moonshine

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Originally Posted by Thor

The only justified use of the term "sleep paralysis" is of course in the sense of a disorder.

No. Thor is is quite wrong in this.
Evidence is provided in Thors linked thread.
12-08-2008, 03:41 PM
moonshine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor

With respect to the supposed "sleep paralysis" I occasionally get the "lead blanket" feeling reported by many. I have tested several times but never found myself unable to move, so at least in my own case this is not a state of paralysis.

I'm getting a bit tired of the old "dude..if you can move you're not in sleep paralysis" chat.

Sleep paralysis simply does not just refer to the "HAG" condition (Which is know as Isolated Sleep Paralysis).

Anyone ever woken up from a dream, and found themselves able to move instantly. That's because that is exactly what the body is designed to do. This suggests that it is therefore quite possible to be in "sleep paralysis" and break out of it by wanting to.
12-08-2008, 08:53 PM
Thor

Quote:

Originally Posted by adraw

Thats really interesting. What I would be really interest in would be the state when you move from fully awake to more inward focused state. Becouse according to my predictions {and partially observations} there has to be some awareness change..My questions would be:

1. Is this awareness change always appearant?
2. If so... Is that change spanned over larger interval or does it come in one point in time?

It's really hard to describe. I'm not really sure there is a change in awareness. Like you said first, it's more a change of focus from your own thoughts to hallucinatory experience. For me this change occurs rapidly and without any effort on my part. In fact, I have never WILDed intentionally. I often use galantamine or nicotine to induce DILDs, and all my WILDs have occurred accidentally while waiting to fall asleep to have a DILD. This makes me believe that the state most conducive to WILDing is characterized by passive awareness. This is completely in line with what BillyBob says in his WILD guide: if you're thinking too much you're sabotaging your chances of having a WILD.

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You know what i mean. .... Really the bodily sensations are not of much importance to me. The body simply gets numb...

Yes, bodily sensations are just a distraction. The warning about thinking too much applies also to thinking about bodily sensations.
12-08-2008, 09:04 PM
Thor

Quote:

Anyone ever woken up from a dream, and found themselves able to move instantly. That's because that is exactly what the body is designed to do. This suggests that it is therefore quite possible to be in "sleep paralysis" and break out of it by wanting to.

If you can move whenever you want to there's no reason to assume that you had muscle atonia in the first place. Since you're making the claim that this is sleep paralysis rather than relaxation, it's up to you to provide the documentation for this claim.
12-08-2008, 11:15 PM
adraw

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor

It's really hard to describe. I'm not really sure there is a change in awareness. Like you said first, it's more a change of focus from your own thoughts to hallucinatory experience. For me this change occurs rapidly and without any effort on my part. In fact, I have never WILDed intentionally. I often use galantamine or nicotine to induce DILDs, and all my WILDs have occurred accidentally while waiting to fall asleep to have a DILD. This makes me believe that the state most conducive to WILDing is characterized by passive awareness. This is completely in line with what BillyBob says in his WILD guide: if you're thinking too much you're sabotaging your chances of having a WILD.

This really cought my attention. According to what I read from your post:
http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=67910

Awake state:
Brain chemistry is modulated by norepinephrine and serotonin
You perceive the world through your senses and control your physical body
REM sleep:
Brain chemistry is modulated by choline
Perceptions are internally generated and you control your dream body. Sensory input is by no means impossible in REM sleep, but the threshold is higher than in the other states.

Our brain chemistry is changing. Well doesnt that have some big implications at awareness? Just guessing. That would need deeper study. I know. Modulation is just some kind of altering existing processes, not change to the main metabolic processes. Still. It could have some implications on awareness itself. :D. As i am not eruded in this kind of research. I would better ask one more question if you dont mind:

"For me this change occurs rapidly and without any effort on my part"
If you can. Could you please go into more detail?
12-09-2008, 02:15 PM
moonshine

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thor

If you can move whenever you want to there's no reason to assume that you had muscle atonia in the first place. Since you're making the claim that this is sleep paralysis rather than relaxation, it's up to you to provide the documentation for this claim.

Eh?! When you feel the wave come over you, the vibrations, the sounds etc, thats a pretty good indication that your in Sleep Paralysis (Rem Atonia).

I would agree that the lead blanked is not SP, but it is probably a part of the progression to SP.

What I don't like is the simplistic argument "if you can move you weren't in SP".

You do like to ask others to "provide documentation".
Yet you yourself are all to happy to fly in the face of any evidence or a general consensus, offering little more evidence than a statement that you are right.

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