Never FULLY Lucid?

It seems as though that in dreams I'm never fully lucid. There are many instances in dreams in which I realise I'm dreaming, yet I tend to waste it. During the day I think about what I'd like to do during a lucid dream...The people I'd like to meet and the places I like to go. However, during the dream I waste my lucid time by doing something stupid that only makes sense to me while in the dream. Take last night for example:

I was with my mom in our local clothing store trying on clothing. For some reason I suddenly realised I was dreaming and took to putting on a bunch of nice clothes, left the store without paying and began to ran around the town showing off all of the clothes I had just stolen.

When I woke up though I wondered why I did that. Why would I need to steal clothes when I wake up in the morning without them anyway? Why didn't I instead search my town for that cute boy who I talked to last week? Or, better yet, after finding that cute boy, take him to Hawaii with me for a lovely 'dream' vacation?

My mind doesn't seem to work while lucid dreaming...I never do what I would have planned. I'm not sure why. What I do in a ld is determined by where I am and the situation I'm in.

Only once have I had a situation in which I did what I was planning to do. And that didn't work very well because I woke up for school a few minutes before I was going to do it! :roll:

Hey :) Sometimes our minds just get that we are fully in a dream state. For me, I tell myself that in a dream, EVERYTHING is me. there is nothing more me then anything dont or anyone else. Try telling yourself that and mabey you will be less inclined to work with the situation your dream makes up.

Doing reality checks sometimes help the logic part of your brain become more awake also-so you can do what you planned on doing.

Its annoying when you realize your in a dream, but still kinda have a "dream mind" :?

At the end of the day, you're still dreaming. Lucidy can wax and wane.
I don't think anyone is ever fully "conscious" in dreams like they are while awake.

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Originally Posted by Kiss Me

It seems as though that in dreams I'm never fully lucid.

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yeah I've sometimes experienced such dreams- even after realising you are dreaming do an additional hand RC- examine your hand, and also say "I am dreaming"- this sometimes helps. Best of luck!

Usually if I don't take time to stabilize one of my dreams I end up having such low-level lucids where I do ridiculous things that are a huge waste of time, and I'm bummed when I do wake up.

When you first realize it's a dream, stop and pause a moment to really let it sink in. You shouldn't just know that you are dreaming, you should understand that you are dreaming. Stop, do some RCs, and then try to recall your dream goals. This'll help ground you a bit, and it will also make you stop and say, "Ok, I'm lucid and here are the things I wanted to do."

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Originally Posted by Shift

Stop, do some RCs, and then try to recall your dream goals. This'll help ground you a bit, and it will also make you stop and say, "Ok, I'm lucid and here are the things I wanted to do."

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This is great advice. Couldn't agree more.
Having a plan before going to sleep helps give you focus.

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Originally Posted by moonshine

This is great advice. Couldn't agree more.
Having a plan before going to sleep helps give you focus.

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Yea, you'd actually be surprised how difficult it can be to rattle off a full list of your dream goals, too. So it helps to just sit in your room, pretend you've had a FA, and go through the list a few times. Has happened multiple times where out of, say, seven goals I could only remember four, and not in any order. But working hard to bring about that firm understanding that it's a dream is definitely helpful in really assessing and understanding that it's a dream and everything that that implies. This allows you to think more rationally, which betters your dream control and enhances the dream itself, at least in my experience.

That used to happen to me. Before i go to bed i meditate on the task i want to accomplish. I usually think about 1 or 2 things, no more then 3 though because i might not have the time to do everything.

Just keep focusing on what you want to do. Because sometimes what might happen is that you may not become lucid but the thing you did the thing you wanted to do. For example i told my self before i went to bed last night that i was going to ride on the Bus, and go back to my old apartment building so i can jump off and try flying from there.

Then i had a dream, i was on a bus and we were making a right turn to the apartment building but then the bus driver hit a car with somone in it. That person died because i remember seeing blood trickle from thier head. Even tho thats not what i wanted to happen the bus thing actually worked.

so yea. just focus.

Even when i feel im 99% sure Im dreaming I still am reluctant to take chances. "What if I'm not dreaming" always enters my mindset.

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Originally Posted by Lukin

Even when i feel im 99% sure Im dreaming I still am reluctant to take chances. "What if I'm not dreaming" always enters my mindset.

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Are you actually able to believe that goofy characters and weird-looking surroundings could be real? How?

We're opposites, so it sounds unusual to me. I never have a problem thinking that anything is real once lucid, except in case of fake awakenings.

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Originally Posted by Lukin

Even when i feel im 99% sure Im dreaming I still am reluctant to take chances. "What if I'm not dreaming" always enters my mindset.

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yeah, i know what you mean. but when this happens to me, i just say to myself, "it's physically impossible to breathe through your nose when you're plugging it, so i am definitely dreaming." i hesitate for just a second, but then i know i'm good to go. i think that's something that comes with experience too. the more you LD, the more you recognize what it looks/feels like. no substitute for experience.

HEHE, i just realised this discsion is very related to the matrix, bending the spoon issue.
only when you truly believe that what you see is not real, can you truly take control.

sorry, just thought id mention it

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Originally Posted by pond weed

HEHE, i just realised this discsion is very related to the matrix, bending the spoon issue.
only when you truly believe that what you see is not real, can you truly take control.

sorry, just thought id mention it

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Haha, why do you think we're all so obsessed with it!!! :boogie::bowdown:

I know exactly how you feel. I hate it. I want so bad to LD, but I can never seem to be able to accomplish it, . Then, when I do actually realize that I'm dreaming, it never seems to be full. I keep asking myself, "Is this it? Is that LDing? It can't be. It's gotta be better than just that." The answer is that LDing is better than that, but it has to be full. I hope that one day I'll be able to experience this great phenomenon. I understand how frustrating what you're dealing with is.

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Originally Posted by Arutad

Are you actually able to believe that goofy characters and weird-looking surroundings could be real? How?

We're opposites, so it sounds unusual to me. I never have a problem thinking that anything is real once lucid, except in case of fake awakenings.

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It's not that I have any problem realizing that everything is goofy. It could be a character flaw of mine but I still worry that what if it is real. And therefore I take no chances. It's like even if there is a .05% chance that I'm on PCP or something I don't want to risk doing something stupid. I have never and would never do PCP by the way - I realize this is an unreasonable fear but something I can't get past.

I know what you mean. I'm always a bit nervous that I actually AM pushing my way through the car window and flying around. It sounds ridiculous, but I do worry... I can usually get over it after a few minutes.

I know what you mean; I tend to lose lucidity within a few minutes, or just try and go with the scenario of the dream, not 'caring' that I'm dreaming.

yeah I know what you mean.
Actually all of my "Lucid Dreams" where like that, I know that I am dreaming, but my logic doesn't work at all, so it just feel like a non-lucid dream, just a bit more vivid.
anyways, I started to notice that when I have vivid dreams my logic brain is more awake, so maybe you have to become lucid from a vivid dream or something like that, right?
the worst part is that when your logic sense is shut down, you cannot repair it, even if you planned to become more aware or something like that, you cannot do it, because you need this logic sense to act, to make decisions...

to all with this problem:

anyways, how is your dream recall? I'm sure that if you become lucid from a vivid dream...then it will work better.
tell me

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bye

Yeah, I'm seeing it. This has happened to me as well. What you should do, is read my method of attaining lucidity in the Dream Control forum. It may help. It helps me.

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Originally Posted by jsmith65

I know exactly how you feel. I hate it. I want so bad to LD, but I can never seem to be able to accomplish it, . Then, when I do actually realize that I'm dreaming, it never seems to be full. I keep asking myself, "Is this it? Is that LDing? It can't be. It's gotta be better than just that." The answer is that LDing is better than that, but it has to be full. I hope that one day I'll be able to experience this great phenomenon. I understand how frustrating what you're dealing with is.

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is how I feel!!!! That is the reason I quit about a year ago, and it's the reason I've given up on DILD and moved to WILD. It was just so discouraging, and I kept thinking, "maybe I am just not able to LD, maybe my mind just doesn't work that way."
I've never had a QUALITY lucid where I was in control and truly enjoying myself. I love that Reality Check solution already mentioned here-but how do I make sure that I do it in my dreams? As was mentioned earlier, the logic center is shut off, so how do I make sure that I do ANYTHING?