My past weeks research

I've been trying to do this for two weeks now and I have ernomous success in the number of LDs I have been getting. However, their quality and foremost, length, hasn't been that long which I usually have.

So I would like to tell this and see if someone wants to try it. After all, I am just single person and I want to study this further :P

For two weeks I have gone bed around 11pm or midnight and woken usually at 7 or 8 am. You prolly know that feeling that "I still wanna sleep for a while, just for ten minutes..." This is what I have tried to invoke :)

So, I drift back to sleep and usually fall asleep almost immediatly. The deal is I have had FA from most of my dreams I start with this method. Today I had funny incident, I woke up from my floor ( I never fall to floor) I was like damn, untill I saw my big lamp was on. Luckily, it is broken so I became lucid, since tumbling on the floor felt so realistic ^^. The one before that was more freaky actually. I woke beside myself :D the guaranteed way to become lucid is to see myself ^^

The deal is, I can have my LD, woke up and repeat. I have had 5 LDs in a row with this method but they seem to last only for 10-15 min at max, usually under 10 :)

I have also combined it WILD couple of times and succeeded once. Yet I think it is a bit better with MILD, since I believe it is very light sleep I have in the mornings so it is easier to remember the message :)

if someone wants to try couple of days or even one and report back, I would be glad. For me it is 95% sure to have DILD with this method, usually through FA.
I think this is good way to train dream control since for me it is almost idiot proof way to get LD. Also, this might be good way to gather more LDs -> more confidence for beginners. I hope it works for someone else than me too :)
-Un <3

I can't see what made you Lucid Dream from the start.
Almost all of us sleep like this and hit snooze and sleep in a bit. Nothing new there.
You accidentally woke on the floor, and accidentally woke next to yourself.

It all seems accidental. How are we supposed to copy this?
Did I miss something?

I wouldn't say it is accidental to have 4-5 LDs in a row for every morning.

The idea is to use the morning slumber to your advance and get FA induced lucids from there, since you are in the border of light dream and wake-state, I think it is very likely you will have a FA. At least on my cases almost all of them are and the point is that I can have many lucids in a row. :)

But mainly I wanted to people try this because it's almost foolproof method for me to get LDs in the morning, after the initial sleep phase. ( I usually sleep for 8 hours so they are extra hours). So maybe it works for someone. I also want to know, do people have lot of FA with this, like me.

Ok. Nothing new here.

Meaning what?

Anyways if someone else has more.. clear approach to this, comments are appreaciated :)

Or then I simply cannot express myself clearly. That is a possibility too.

FAs are not that easy to induce in my experience unless I've been unable to sleep properly and wake up tired and unrested after an FA. But yeah I've had a few short LDs from FAs. The benefit of using FAs is that if you had done prep work/dream rehearsal on what to do in the event of a dream when you wake up then FAs are very precise in getting what you want in the dream because it is the exact dream scene which you had rehearsed during the day so the memory of what to do is self-fueling and very precise.

IMJ

Thanks for sharing :) I have programmed myself to do RC everytime I seem to "wake". I have lots of FAs and maybe 40% of my LD begin with FA nowadays :)

If someone else have experiences, please do share :)

Rc every time you "wake"

I have a hypothesis about inserting RCs during 'wake' windows. Like when you find yourself concious from sleep and aware of where you are...quickly do an RC in that groggy state....don't wait. My hypothesis is that when the mind is groggy and still in dream like conciousness there is a 'window', kinda like a curtain that hasn't closed fully and you manage to sneak in an RC into the subconcious before the curtain closes fully. I got a few RC into the dream as an FA like that...trick is you got to be fast in executing the RC before the mind is fully concious.

IMJ

It's certainly an interesting thought.
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You just wake up as usual, but then use the snoozy, cozy bed-feeling to get back into sleep and have a FA.

Does that capture your method?

Yeh well that is the "core" idea of this experiment :) and what you said might be really "it". Since I believe I get FAs because I am in morning slumber and the line between reality and dream is really thin, so it could be really easy to step into the dream.

I gotta try that RC idea of yours :) thanks. Usually I just.. hmm.. do it by intuition :) those FAs are god damn real, they almost fool me every time.

I can't remember a lot of FAs, but I always recall my dreams, and then do a RC. Thing is, I wake up when I'm about to do the RC.

It sounds like you might be describing something like a Dream Exit Initiated Lucid Dream (DEILD)? At least that is what people have been calling it around here.
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=62769

I have the same problem with them that you have. They end up being very short, and I transition back and forth from False Awakenings to dreams, to lucid dreams. The whole adventure is normally very confusing, disorienting, and hard to understand afterwards. Not saying it isn't still fun :D

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It sounds like you might be describing something like a Dream Exit Initiated Lucid Dream (DEILD)? At least that is what people have been calling it around here.
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=62769

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I'll be damned :D well I had this idea before I joined here.. damn I though I was inventing something great :P

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I have the same problem with them that you have. They end up being very short, and I transition back and forth from False Awakenings to dreams, to lucid dreams. The whole adventure is normally very confusing, disorienting, and hard to understand afterwards. Not saying it isn't still fun :D

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Yeh this is what it seems to be. Thanks for comment, this tells that I might be on right track when thinking this. Do you think it could be because it is so early in the morning? Light sleep?

I don't think it's a true DEILD. From what I've understood, with a DEILD you come from a dream, and get back. You don't move at all.

I think with this you can move over and roll over 'n' stuff :P
DEILD sub form?

I had many DEILD / fast WILD on that part of the morning; but not many FAs (I have them in the middle of the night, instead)

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Originally Posted by MindDaguerreotype

I had many DEILD / fast WILD on that part of the morning; but not many FAs (I have them in the middle of the night, instead)

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When I have FAs in midnight those are the unrested ones..I wake up with like a small hangover and if I continue to stay up I can't get back to sleep. Do that happen too?

IMJ

It sounds to me that you are just talking about doing reality checks every time you wake up to catch FAs, and then that once you become lucid, and then wake up, you simply are able to induce DEILDs. Like DreamChaser has said, nothing new here. In fact, this can't even be considered "research" because you are not closely controlling your variables. You haven't stated what the purpose is, to me it sounds like inducing a FA by waking up in the early morning.

I am going to lock this thread and point you toward the Research Section. If you would like to conduct research into these ideas, the best way to do that is to understand what really constitutes controlled research and to come up with a valid method to do so. Please read the Research Guidelines, and open this topic for discussion in the research forums. The members there should be able to aid you in ensuring that this is done properly and to help you get across what your goals are since you said yourself that you are having trouble communicating them. If you would like for me to reopen this thread and to move it to the research forum, please PM me and I will do so ASAP.