meditating to enter AP/LD

In the right conditions, I can meditate and get lucid. This only works about ten percent of the time, since I find meditating very hard to do. Usually I can't find anything to focus on. When the conditions are right, and I know I am in the zone, I usually try to go AP, but can't seem to even lift my energy out of my finger, and end up just lifting my finger. Any who, I was wondering if this is normal.

When I meditate, after awhile, if done right, I will start to feel good in my body, could be described as mild euphoria. Secondly, I will start to feel my bed like.. shaking under me (I usually think of the exorcist movie when this happens :P). Lastly, if I manage to stay awake, I will feel like my whole body is buzzing; I may also feel like my body is sinking, my insides are electric yellow, and some other subtle things but it is hard to remember. This is usually when I know I reached a different frequency.

Some other things I have experienced are, I hear a very high pitched buzzing/ring in my right ear, all the black gooey stuff will clear up*, Will see flashes of images of random people/things^1, hear random voices/shouting^2

Lastly, and by far THE most freaky indication I have experienced during meditation, I will be just chilling meditating, and out of nowhere I will hear this very loud "click"^3 that will sound like when you turn on a warehouse of lights (but instead of a sequence of them turning on since they are in rows, it was only one large click/bang as if only one row/set of lights was turned on).

After this click/mellow bang, a very bright light, a color of light like no other (almost heavenly) will "turn on". This light will start small, and begin to grow at a semi-rapid pace, eventually growing to the point of engulfing my entire mind space. Now this might not sound extreme, but to go from a very conscious meditative state, watching little purple blobs, to seeing nothing but a holy bright white light, was a very... exhilarating experience.

Any who, the point of this whole thing was to see if anyone could explain any this, if anyone has experienced any of this, or if any of this is normal or not normal.

P.S. Sorry for my lack of grammical skills.

P.S.S. Any help or questions are greatly appreciated :banana:




*When I close my eyes, I have two main colors, purple and black. They usually just like melt around and make different blobby shapes. This is kinda the same thing as all those little stars and fuzziness you see. Maybe you don't get this, but when I do close my eyes they don't go completely black, unless the purple or black clears up during meditation.

^1 will happen a lot more than ^2. ^2 scares the shit out of me.

^3 I say click for the lack of a better word, click sounds far to weak.

Hey rebbit, these are all very very very common hypnagogic hallucinations that people experience, especially during WILD attempts and that are often associated and experienced with sleep paralysis. Sounds like you're figuring out how to wild ;)

The blobbies that you see, on the other hand, sound like they are simply phosphenes :)

could you please share your meditation technique? Im very interested .

Thanks

Well bushi, before I answer your question, I would just like to add one more point. Forgot to add that when I experience this light experience, I usually "zone in" and "wake up". Mostly because I either get too excited or scared.

Anywho bushi, back to your question.

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Now remeber, by NO MEANS am I a master, expert, or even novice in this field, Meditation, for me, was a way to get high, but naturally. So if this has, or is to, in any way, shape or form, take a negative effect on you, then I by no means take responsibility.

1. If you can, find yourself some ear muffs/ear plugs.

2. Lay down on your bed either on your right side or your back.

3. Try to become relaxed, tense up all the muscle in your body, hold, and release.

4. Also, try and clear up all your thoughts, it is better to think about things now, than to have them pop up during meditation.

5. I have a problem with my eye lids twitching, so sometimes I will wear one of those eye cover things that you wear to sleep, or just close your eyes up realllly tight, move your eye balls from left to right a couple times, and relax.

5.5 sometimes you dont want to be comfortable, like, dont wear a blanket, keep yourself cold, or just sit up.

6. Now you are ready to begin.

7. Once you are all good and relaxed, begin by finding a good focus point, something that you will focus on during meditation to attain awarness. You can either focus on your third eye (between your eye brows), focus on the tip of your nose, focus on one thought, focus on a repeating phrase, focus on right ontop of your navel, focus on the air your are breathing in and out as if it was yellow energy, OR just think of nothing.

8. This is kinda hard to explain, but instead of breathing in through the begining of your nose, you have to breath in through the opening inside your nose under your nasal cavity. The best way I can explain where this is, is by trying to make a fake snore, and where that snore sound is created, is where you need to breath though. It will have a more hollow sound than breathing in through the tip of your nose like you are smelling something.
(maybe this is just a problem for me)

8. When breathing out you want your tounge touching the roof of your mouth, and have your lips pursed. (none of this is critical, but its what I do)

9. Also in the begining (this is not the regular meditation breathing sequence, this is just to prepare you and your body, look at number 10 real quick so see what I mean as to what the regular cycle of breathing is) , you can breathe in for 8, inhaling for your whole lungs, hold for 4 seconds, breath out for 8, and hold for 4 seconds. This is mostly to get your body relaxed and clear up your lungs. Just breath in and exhale to the extreme, push your lungs as far as possible. If you can breath in/exhale/hold for longer (like 10,5,10,5), then do it. Usually once I finish a starting set (8,4,8,4), I will mentally tell my self "relax" in a very smooth way that is, well, relaxing. I will do these long begining sets maybe 2,4, or 6 times until I get into regular breathing.

10. Now relax, focus, breathe in, hold, breathe out, hold. Now you can do this 4 seconds, hold for 2, 4 seconds, and hold for two. One thousand one, one thousand two... after a bit, your body will get in the natural rhythm and you wont have to count. Oh yeah and when you are breathing in, you only want to breath in with your stomach expanding which will indicate that you are only inhaling into the bottom of your lungs (which is what you want)*, if you feel your chest expanding, you are breathing in too far/deep into the top of your lungs.

11. Okay wow, sooooo ya. I will just try and sum all this up for you.
-earplugs/muffs, eye covers/eye squinge

-relaxed body, but dont be comfortable or you will go to sleep

-clear thoughts

-find focus point

-breath in through nose (but not tip like you are smelling), out through pursed lip and roofed tounge

- Do inital breathing set and self-relaxsurrance if you want of 8,4,8,4

- Carry on to normal breathing set of 4,2,4,2 with belly expanding, not the chest.

- Now do this for an hour, and bam, you are meditating.


Okay there is one thing I would like to touch up on which will lead me to another sub-method in meditating.

You will have wondering thoughts, and the best thing is, when you catch yourself, just go back to focusing on your focus point and continue meditation, dont even worry about it.

and/or

you can imagine yourself laying on a lillie ontop of a pond, and every thought that comes up, just imagine it as a bubble floating up from the pond, and bursting in the air. Like if you think about your school or work, then have a bubble with word school in it, float up into the air, and burst.

or

Just tell yourself, I dont want to think about these thoughts anymore, everytime one comes up. Or maybe do both! The pond and telling yourself you dont want to hear these thoughts anymore.


Okay now, that is the jist of it.

P.S. My apologies for the spelling and grammical errors, and feel free to ask any questions your mind and conjure up.

P.S.S. Comments and constructive critisisims are more than welcomed and appreciated.

P.S.S.S. Thanks for the response shift, I will definatly look more into that!

Thank you.

From your description, it sounds like you are successful in entering the trance state. This is the final goal for many types of meditations, and an amazing mental state in its own right. Many religions are based on reaching this state of mind, so congratulations on unlocking something so powerful.

Lucid dreamers (and APers) take it one step further, and enter a dream from this state. As Shift already said, you are in a hypnagogic state, right on the border of sleep. The final step of entering a dream can be the most difficult for some people, or very easy and natural for others.

It seems everyone has their own little tricks to enter the dream, just as everyone has their own tricks for meditating. Check out Clairity's guide for a good description of some things to try:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...415#post746415
You also want to be sure to do this meditaton after a few hours of sleep, so you will transfer right into a REM dream.


If you want more information from a lucid dreaming perspective, read around about Wake Initiated Lucid Dreaming (WILD), Sleep Paralysis (SP), or Hypnagogia (HI). The vibrations, visuals, sounds, and body distortions are all commonly reported.

It is amazing to see how the experience is so similar no matter how you approach it. Out of Body Experiences, deep trance meditations, or Wake Initiated Lucid dreaming. It is great to be human :D